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#1 Post by TraneDeracs » 11 Jul 2009 20:00

"This is what metal should sound like...".
The guy plays an All That Remains song. I later told him that Dio was the better singer than Ozzy just to see his reaction. Yep, typical American Nu-Metal redneck reaction. I later asked him if he liked Nile and he told me "they suck, but their drummer is a beast."

I played the cover of the Trooper Demons and Wizards performed live and someone later told me "it's shit...not nearly as sophisticated as Radiohead." Then the man proceeded to play Radiohead.

A cokehead at some show in L.A. telling me that Blut Aus Nord and Lord Wind are the only good black metal bands. "Immortal is poser thrash." he later told me.

That's it for now.

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#2 Post by Orodaran » 11 Jul 2009 20:07

"It's all noise" and "those satanists" sum up nearly most of the things people who does not understand what metal is (understanding =/= appreciating) usually say....
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#3 Post by Dreamflight » 11 Jul 2009 20:52

"its best music genre eveah"
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#4 Post by Joost » 11 Jul 2009 21:49

Dreamflight wrote:"its best music genre eveah"
+1 :D
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#5 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 11 Jul 2009 22:47

"if you're not metal you're not my friend"

just as ignorant and just as much about metal.. just from the other side of the line
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#6 Post by Twister » 12 Jul 2009 01:17

Orodaran wrote:"those satanists"
I've been called a "satanist" from a group of people in my old class in school when they got a look on my iPod.
I got those people to listen to "Virgin Skies" from Rhapsody (Click) and, believe it or not, it's here where it started. They found something "satanist" in that song too.

Then of course they saw "The Number of the Beast" from Iron Maiden, and well, how could I deny? :roll:

Most of the times, it wasn't funny. But it had it's peaks. For example, some days later the uptold fact our english teacher wanted me to do an oral test by surprise. That was my "punishment divine" according to those "friends" of mine. My english teacher herself one day asked if that metal shirt I had on (can't remember of which band it was, could be a Blind Guardian "Fly" shirt, now that I think about it) had any kind of "religious messages".

So happy those times are over. It's been too long years.

Apart from this "ignorance-is-not-a-bliss" stuff, which I could talk of for just too much, one of the most funniest things of this kind I can remember is in a mail a ("metal"?) guy once sent me about how cool Dani Filth's singing was.

We were speaking about our favourite vocalists in the genre, and he wanted to convince me that his favourite singer was really the best around (he didn't even know some names I told him such as Akerfeldt or Garm).

So he sends me this mail.
I don't care, nobody can stand his voice. Look all those vocal techniques he can use.

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#7 Post by corrupted old gnom » 12 Jul 2009 12:15

"...but that's not metal!?"
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#8 Post by Lord Borbak » 12 Jul 2009 15:04

"Metal is more than a music genre, it's a way of life"

"Metal brotherhood"

"Metal is a superior art form"

Etc...
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#9 Post by Palantyre » 12 Jul 2009 18:00

You know, metal IS a way of life to some people, just because YOU see it only as a music doesn't prove otherwise. Although if someone says it can't or shouldn't be treated as a mere genre, even if someone doesn't feel that strongly about it... yeah, misguided.

Also, as long as there are people who talk about and believe in that "Metal brotherhood", I'd say it does exist to some extent. But again, assuming every metal fan automatically belongs to it... nuh-uh.
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#10 Post by blind-man » 12 Jul 2009 19:27

"Metal is just about screaming. None of those guys can actually sing."

I get that all the time. :x
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#11 Post by Dentarthurdent » 12 Jul 2009 20:53

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxzDsSHkM4s

These guys've got them all.
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#12 Post by End Of An Era » 13 Jul 2009 00:19

Dentarthurdent wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxzDsSHkM4s

These guys've got them all.
:lol:

goddamn, this is hilarious!!

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#13 Post by Skyclad » 13 Jul 2009 00:57

"All they do is scream and I can't understand a thing they're saying". Then whoever says this puts on some shit like Bob Dylan or Opera or something.
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#14 Post by somnia » 13 Jul 2009 03:29

"it hurts my stomach"

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#15 Post by jophelerks » 13 Jul 2009 03:32

somnia wrote:"it hurts my stomach"

my father.
seriously? lol

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#16 Post by somnia » 13 Jul 2009 04:10

jophelerks wrote:
somnia wrote:"it hurts my stomach"

my father.
seriously? lol
well, he says it jokingly of course.
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#17 Post by Wicked Child » 13 Jul 2009 13:57

Well, general metalhead's hatred about any other kind of music is the most ignorant perspective ever.
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#18 Post by blind-man » 13 Jul 2009 15:14

Wicked Child wrote:Well, general metalhead's hatred about any other kind of music is the most ignorant perspective ever.
You're so right! And that's the kind of thing that ends up giving metalheads a bad name. Most people see metalheads as ignorant, narrow minded people who think metal is the only good music genre.
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#19 Post by Orodaran » 13 Jul 2009 19:33

Palantyre wrote:You know, metal IS a way of life to some people, just because YOU see it only as a music doesn't prove otherwise.
To some external people metal is mainly the way of life... people from work (jokingly, btw) "accuse" me of not being a real metalhead because I don't drink beer and get drunk :roll: :P one said to me "you're not a metalhead, you listen to metal music", which for me is as silly as saying "you're not heterosexual, you just have sex with girls" :roll: :mrgreen:
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#20 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 13 Jul 2009 21:28

oh yeah.. sex with girls is awesome
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#21 Post by Bender B. Rodriguez » 13 Jul 2009 21:51

Orodaran wrote:
Palantyre wrote: one said to me "you're not a metalhead, you listen to metal music", which for me is as silly as saying "you're not heterosexual, you just have sex with girls" :roll: :mrgreen:
i think it's wrong analogy,being a true metalhead requires a lot more than just listening to the music,i myself couldn't define my self as a metalhead,i just like the music but i don't use band t-shirts for example.i guess the "metalhead" is a guy who only listens to metal and has a notorious way of creating awareness that he is all about metal.i know quite a few of them.

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#22 Post by Lord Borbak » 13 Jul 2009 22:45

blind-man wrote:
Wicked Child wrote:Well, general metalhead's hatred about any other kind of music is the most ignorant perspective ever.
You're so right! And that's the kind of thing that ends up giving metalheads a bad name. Most people see metalheads as ignorant, narrow minded people who think metal is the only good music genre.
A large majority are.
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#23 Post by Warg Rider » 14 Jul 2009 04:04

Lord Borbak wrote:"Metal is more than a music genre, it's a way of life"

"Metal brotherhood"
I know this is a bit off topic but How is saying "Metal is a way of life" ignorant ?
Maybe its just music to you, but i have been listening to Metal for many years and it grew to be a big part of my identity now. Heavy metal was there for me in the hard times and its what wakes me up in the morning and gets me through the day. Yeah, My wardrobe mostly consists of Band t-shirts, i have a room filled with wallpapers, my CD collection is 99% pure Metal, i play guitar, i hang out with Metalheads and i go to metal concerts. Also As an artist its one of my main inspirations. Does this make me a close minded ignorant ? No, i enjoy and respect other music styles, i am willing to give everything a listen first before i judge and some of my best friends hate metal which result in endless, funny and civilized discussions.

As for the Metal brotherhood or tribe it does exist. Many times while walking outside people salute me or approach me after recognizing the band from my shirt and i do the same. Its like a big family, the music connect us and link us to each other, that's why its more than just music. I recommend you to watch Metal: A headbanger's journey and Global Metal if you still didn't.

I can go on and on about it but i don't have the time right now so i will finish with a Rob Halford quote: That's what's special about metalheads; it's like the Marine Corps ! once a metalhead, always a metalhead.
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#24 Post by Orodaran » 14 Jul 2009 19:37

Bender B. Rodriguez wrote:i think it's wrong analogy,being a true metalhead requires a lot more than just listening to the music,i myself couldn't define my self as a metalhead,i just like the music but i don't use band t-shirts for example.i guess the "metalhead" is a guy who only listens to metal and has a notorious way of creating awareness that he is all about metal.i know quite a few of them.
Well, I consider myself a "metalhead" regardless if I drink beer or not... I listen to heavy metal music which is by far my favorite genre, I go to metal concerts, I wear at said concerts metal shirts (but not at work or usually when I am around), I enjoy following the scene and knowing what goes on even with bands I don't really listen to, I went to Wacken twice, I feel "at home" among people at the concerts and feel I belong among them and it's natural for me to be around them.... is this enough to be a "metalhead" or having short hair, not drinking beer, basically never wearing metal shirts unless it's a concert denounce me as a poser? :P
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#25 Post by Bender B. Rodriguez » 14 Jul 2009 22:09

Orodaran wrote: is this enough to be a "metalhead" or having short hair, not drinking beer, basically never wearing metal shirts unless it's a concert denounce me as a poser? :P
i actually think that people who have to show off that they're metalheads are posers(not that being a poser is a bad thing).you are like me,a guy who likes metal but doesn't have to go around with the "attitude" all day.metalhead?perhaps,just not extremely metal.
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#26 Post by End Of An Era » 14 Jul 2009 22:10

well when i have the chance i walk around in metal shirts, jeans and jeans jacket, but that's not only because i like to show i listen to metal, it's also damn casual. And that's really my style :P

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#27 Post by somnia » 14 Jul 2009 23:39

Warg Rider wrote:...Heavy metal was there for me in the hard times...
Blues was also there for you in the hard times, and so were Hard Rock, Jazz, Electronica and Pop. You just liked and listened to heavy metal then. How is that more special?
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#28 Post by t.a.j. » 14 Jul 2009 23:58

somnia wrote:
Warg Rider wrote:...Heavy metal was there for me in the hard times...
Blues was also there for you in the hard times, and so were Hard Rock, Jazz, Electronica and Pop. You just liked and listened to heavy metal then. How is that more special?
The pathos of metal, the sheer admittance of emotional intensity without ironic recourse or intellectualistic shame is something shared by very few other genres. Pop and Electronica is mostly flat, designed to be inoffensive or as dance music, jazz is trying to be smart, Hip Hop is too cool to be sincere, blues too fake to be sad. Hard Rock is close to metal, but often also steeped in it's own brand of cool and often in superficiality. Alternative can have that pathos, but often dives into the meaningless oceans of cool and distanced irony. The only thing that metal shares this with is gothic music, but metal has very different aesthetics.

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#29 Post by somnia » 15 Jul 2009 00:20

t.a.j. wrote:The pathos of metal, the sheer admittance of emotional intensity without ironic recourse or intellectualistic shame is something shared by very few other genres.
I agree metal has much more potential to be intense and/or emotional, and as a metal listener that's natural, but it doesn't necessarily mean it is the standart genre to listen in that particular situation. What you say, in a way, means that everyone that feels alike should be listening to metal in the hard times, cause metal is the genre to listen in those circumstances. But it doesn't have to be. So "heavy metal was there for me" is a pointless statement, and in no way a solid reason to "live" metal, but not just listen to it.
t.a.j. wrote:Pop and Electronica is mostly flat, designed to be inoffensive or as dance music, jazz is trying to be smart, Hip Hop is too cool to be sincere, blues too fake to be sad. Hard Rock is close to metal, but often also steeped in it's own brand of cool and often in superficiality. Alternative can have that pathos, but often dives into the meaningless oceans of cool and distanced irony. The only thing that metal shares this with is gothic music, but metal has very different aesthetics.
This is subjective, even though I agree for the most part.
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#30 Post by Joost » 15 Jul 2009 13:00

t.a.j. wrote:
somnia wrote:
Warg Rider wrote:...Heavy metal was there for me in the hard times...
Blues was also there for you in the hard times, and so were Hard Rock, Jazz, Electronica and Pop. You just liked and listened to heavy metal then. How is that more special?
The pathos of metal, the sheer admittance of emotional intensity without ironic recourse or intellectualistic shame is something shared by very few other genres.
Folk can have it too. Which is, I guess, why folk metal tends to work so well as a genre. ;)

But yeah, in general, I agree.

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#31 Post by Orodaran » 15 Jul 2009 19:44

Bender B. Rodriguez wrote:
Orodaran wrote: is this enough to be a "metalhead" or having short hair, not drinking beer, basically never wearing metal shirts unless it's a concert denounce me as a poser? :P
i actually think that people who have to show off that they're metalheads are posers(not that being a poser is a bad thing).you are like me,a guy who likes metal but doesn't have to go around with the "attitude" all day.metalhead?perhaps,just not extremely metal.
Yeah, I have to agree, what I always say in these cases is that I'm metal on the inside and I don't need to show it on the outside :P (which I subtly do anyway - I still wear the Wacken / BGOA wristbands....)
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#32 Post by Led Guardian » 15 Jul 2009 20:22

With all the pollution in the world these days, everyone is metal on the inside. I know my doctor thinks I might have too much heavy metal. :wink:
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#33 Post by Frozen within » 16 Jul 2009 17:43

I stopped caring about what anyone might think about anything as insignificant as a music genre quite a while ago.
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#34 Post by West Virginia Mule » 18 Jul 2009 21:17

"All they do is [GROWL] and I can't understand a thing they're saying".
Growl metal is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life. It's so awful it’s funny. I’d rather watch American Idol. And yeah, I run from the room when a family member of mine puts American Idol on—and, you know, running is quite dangerous for someone in my physical condition. But it’s worth the risk. Am I digressing? Well. But Growling…I mean, when did the fuckwit kids decide that actual singing wasn’t metal enough anymore? Heh. Idiots. I like real heavy rock and metal, not that craptacular wall of growling noise the idiot children have adopted. Here’s a litmus test of what good and what’s not: If I like it, it’s good. If not, it’s shit. Any questions, just ask. I'm here for you.

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#35 Post by Orodaran » 18 Jul 2009 23:01

West Virginia Mule wrote:Growl metal is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.
Wait 'til you hear metalcore SCREAMING stuff. It will make growl look like the opera. (And I can't stand growls too, mind you)
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#36 Post by Bender B. Rodriguez » 19 Jul 2009 02:19

growling is kinda ridiculous,though i do prefer those bands over the ones with vocalists who sing with an extremely high pitched voice.
and if you hate American Idol,man Latin American idol is far more ridiculous :lol:
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#37 Post by Spectrum » 19 Jul 2009 14:16

Ignorant perspectives I've heard others say about metal:
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Re: Ignorant perspectives you've heard others say about metal.

#38 Post by ThePKH » 20 Jul 2009 07:05

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Re: Ignorant perspectives you've heard others say about metal.

#39 Post by Wicked Child » 21 Jul 2009 17:32

I think that the initial point of the thread was to bring up what outsiders of the genre oftenly think of Heavy Metal.. the topic author can correct me, though.

But as it turned out as a criticism about the style itself, though, I'd say if there's anyone who can make any criticism about Metal stuff that would be Michael Kiske.

I completely agree in most part of what he has to say about Heavy Metal.. can anyone quote him here?? :mrgreen:
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Re: Ignorant perspectives you've heard others say about metal.

#40 Post by blind-man » 21 Jul 2009 18:08

Wicked Child wrote:I think that the initial point of the thread was to bring up what outsiders of the genre oftenly think of Heavy Metal.. the topic author can correct me, though.

But as it turned out as a criticism about the style itself, though, I'd say if there's anyone who can make any criticism about Metal stuff that would be Michael Kiske.

I completely agree in most part of what he has to say about Heavy Metal.. can anyone quote him here?? :mrgreen:
I think Michael Kiske is a fucking hypocrite for not missing a single opportunity to talk shit about heavy metal but, at the same time, accepting every single invitation he receives to do guest appearances on metal records. He hates heavy metal, except when he uses it to make some bucks.

You want a Michael Kiske quote? Here's a good one:

"Think about heavy metal song titles and lyrics. How many times will you find things like 'die', 'death', 'dead', 'kill'? Iron Maiden, for instance, does it all the time. They sell death to the people."
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Re: Ignorant perspectives you've heard others say about metal.

#41 Post by Wicked Child » 22 Jul 2009 00:03

blind-man wrote:
Wicked Child wrote:I think that the initial point of the thread was to bring up what outsiders of the genre oftenly think of Heavy Metal.. the topic author can correct me, though.

But as it turned out as a criticism about the style itself, though, I'd say if there's anyone who can make any criticism about Metal stuff that would be Michael Kiske.

I completely agree in most part of what he has to say about Heavy Metal.. can anyone quote him here?? :mrgreen:
I think Michael Kiske is a fucking hypocrite for not missing a single opportunity to talk shit about heavy metal but, at the same time, accepting every single invitation he receives to do guest appearances on metal records. He hates heavy metal, except when he uses it to make some bucks.

You want a Michael Kiske quote? Here's a good one:

"Think about heavy metal song titles and lyrics. How many times will you find things like 'die', 'death', 'dead', 'kill'? Iron Maiden, for instance, does it all the time. They sell death to the people."
He is not wrong is he? Hehe..

Well, I rather like to see him as someone who cannot create anything into metal once he doesn't "belong" to it anymore. There are a bunch of metal musicians who does it only for the money. And let's face it, he could make so much MORE money than he is doing right now just appearing here and there.

Now, about the projects he sings in, from what I read, he states that he only does it when the song isn't against his own true beliefs about life and music and ALSO, he never said he doesn't like listening to metal. You just wont find him singing about evil or "dark'' things. He also states he still loves Iron Maiden.

He just don't like to be part of the so called Metal way of life, which is the same thing that is so criticized here.

Basically he is misunderstood most part of the time. When he criticizes bad things about Metal, metalheads tend to understand like "death to the false ones". LOL I know it's not your case, though.
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Re: Ignorant perspectives you've heard others say about metal.

#42 Post by West Virginia Mule » 22 Jul 2009 03:08

I don't know who Michael Kiske is. Err...do I? I don't think so. Nope. Does he growl? Heh.
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#43 Post by Joost » 22 Jul 2009 12:07

West Virginia Mule wrote:I don't know who Michael Kiske is. Err...do I? I don't think so. Nope. Does he growl? Heh.
Erm no. :P But he was the singer in Helloween between 1987 and 1993.
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Re: Ignorant perspectives you've heard others say about metal.

#44 Post by Wicked Child » 22 Jul 2009 17:27

Knightrider of Doom wrote:maybe he is too serious about that... I think metal is fun and shouldn't be too serious, and if you sing about demons raping hitler, then it can be just for fun :lol: it doesn't mean that you believe in demons (or hitler)... oh well, some people are just too serious, they live, they are serious, and they die. And they didn't try to have fun =?
Or maybe he does think like that and that's why metallers hate him. :)
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Re: Ignorant perspectives you've heard others say about metal.

#45 Post by Dentarthurdent » 23 Jul 2009 00:08

which reminds me of the early days of Rage... Peavey and the other songwriter of the band had a sort of long-term competition, who could write the silliest satanic lyrics. They stopped that, though, when they found out that people were actually taking them serious :D
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Re: Ignorant perspectives you've heard others say about metal.

#46 Post by Wicked Child » 23 Jul 2009 13:20

Knightrider of Doom wrote:
Wicked Child wrote:
Knightrider of Doom wrote:maybe he is too serious about that... I think metal is fun and shouldn't be too serious, and if you sing about demons raping hitler, then it can be just for fun :lol: it doesn't mean that you believe in demons (or hitler)... oh well, some people are just too serious, they live, they are serious, and they die. And they didn't try to have fun =?
Or maybe he does think like that and that's why metallers hate him. :)
most metallers that I know are not that emo-serious and they are very funny people. They aren't snobs like Kiske and they would never say "omg, they sing about death, aaah scary metal band" :roll: It's fucking heavy metal! And being in some blackmetal-underground-sect who worship satan has not much to do with music imo, but you can use stuff like this for a theme. Singing about Jesus is just kinda uncool, sorry, lol. Peace sells, but who's buying...? :lol:

edit: and if metallers take everything that serious and don't understand which lyrics are meant to be funny, then it just proves that more young emos think they are metalheads
I think you just have a biased opinion about Kiske. He always criticize the metal way of life and not bands itself. He used examples of how bands sell death (Iron Maiden) and people buy it like it was the reason of their lives. His criticizing is just the same thing you're saying here. People take Metal lyrics serious and he doesn't. It is a free choice for an artist to be only on things he trully believes in and I don't see any problem with that.
Now, what make metallers pissed off is to hear this and it would be like if someone was messing with their God you know.
Also, YOUR opinion would be considered an heresy for die-hard fans. I know because I was one of them in the old days. :)
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Re: Ignorant perspectives you've heard others say about metal.

#47 Post by West Virginia Mule » 23 Jul 2009 15:40

Joost wrote: Erm no. :P But he was the singer in Helloween between 1987 and 1993.
Oh. Heh. Believe it or else, I never really listened to Helloween. Heard a few songs here and there from other people back in the day, but...never bought into them, I guess.
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Re: Ignorant perspectives you've heard others say about metal.

#48 Post by Yooden » 25 Jul 2009 11:07

often I´ve heard, the lyrics are only about dragons and swords (when speaking of powermetal)
and of "dark pits of bloody damnation" when speaking about (thrash and darker metal).

People who don´t get the lyrics, simply put, and of course they don´t care to look beyond the words
or find the bands with great lyrics.

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#49 Post by Palantyre » 25 Jul 2009 12:55

Not to mention the people who just hear the words like "Devil" or "Death" or the likes, and instantly smack the SATANIST! label on the band, without actually bothering to find out the context where the words are used and what the song is really about. Like the one time some years back when Tuomas Holopainen from Nightwish was working as a temporary teacher, and the school started giving him trouble because he had made a song called The Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean. :roll:
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Re: Ignorant perspectives you've heard others say about metal.

#50 Post by TraneDeracs » 25 Jul 2009 21:05

Another one I have noticed: Some bands use lyrics or similar themes to conjure a theme of questioning religion and when it has been used for a destructive purpose. Most people automatically assume that certain bands are for those reasons alone pure atheists/against religion.

As a Christian in metal who understands the connection I can understand the meaning, yet view the destructive past and actual faith itself as two different things.

Therefore, I can't stand it when people say "what a song is about" in some contexts because most bands sings songs objectively.

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