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New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 23 Aug 2010 15:09
by Mackasfour
http://www.sonataarctica.info/site07/in ... 133&ntop=0

Probably old news for some, but yeah, thought I'd post it here for those who haven't. I for one, am jealous of those that are attending that, it would be a good concert indeed

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 23 Aug 2010 15:30
by Dentarthurdent
Thx for the info, sounds interesting.

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 23 Aug 2010 17:35
by Baby_Kürsch
Isn't Sonata Arctica just a lesser Blind Guardian?? :wink:

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 23 Aug 2010 17:42
by Dentarthurdent
No, no they're not.

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 23 Aug 2010 17:46
by Baby_Kürsch
Ive got a friend whos really into Sonata Arctica and I always ask him that. Honestly Ive only heard probably half of one of their songs. They are power metal right? In the a similar fashion of Blind Guardian? Thats the distinction I got from the what I've heard of their music and now that we are on the subject whats a good album of theirs?

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 23 Aug 2010 17:51
by The Rider Of Rohan
Their first two albums are more like speed-metal. They were a clone of Stratovarius in those days, but quite good. Their albums after that are more like pure heavy metal.

Sonata is one of those bands who never released a bad album, so which one to get depends greatly on your taste in metal. My favourite ones are the first two, though. Both Ecliptica and Silence are classics to me.

They've released two greatest hits cd's, so if you are uncertain about where to start, I'd start with those.

Full disco: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonata_Arctica_discography

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 23 Aug 2010 18:02
by Dentarthurdent
Imho, Sonata Arctica play classic gay european Power metal, with the last two albums leaning towards progressive. Still, they're quite good.

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 23 Aug 2010 18:10
by The Rider Of Rohan
Deine mutti ist gay.

:P

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 23 Aug 2010 19:16
by Dentarthurdent
Keyboards and falsetto vocals are gay, that's a fact. I still like them, thogh :P

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 23 Aug 2010 19:17
by Orodaran
Well, they don't do that anymore, actually.

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 23 Aug 2010 20:35
by Envinyatar
Orodaran wrote:Well, they don't do that anymore, actually.
Luckily :)
Can't say I "hate" the old stuff but haven't listened to it in years. The more progressive albums are quite ok, but not progressive enough for my taste.

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 23 Aug 2010 23:00
by Orodaran
They're crazy enough for my taste, however :wink:

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 24 Aug 2010 02:35
by rdyfrde
Mackasfour wrote:Probably old news for some, but yeah, thought I'd post it here for those who haven't. I for one, am jealous of those that are attending that, it would be a good concert indeed
Then you'll be jealous of me. I'll be there :D

It's going to be awesome :mrgreen:

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 24 Aug 2010 18:37
by Orodaran
If they'll play as they say at least 120 minutes, I may be tempted to go... I really liked their concert of one year ago, but it was 30 minutes to short, I want that half hour back :D

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 24 Aug 2010 19:42
by rdyfrde
Orodaran wrote:If they'll play as they say at least 120 minutes, I may be tempted to go... I really liked their concert of one year ago, but it was 30 minutes to short, I want that half hour back :D
They will. There's no opening band so there's no reason to shortened it anymore.

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 25 Aug 2010 09:08
by Mackasfour
I don't consider BG and Sonata to be remotely close in terms of music. I see Sonata Arctica as power, and BG as progressive. and yes Rdy, I'm very jealous >_<

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 25 Aug 2010 14:37
by Gandalf de Grijze
rdyfrde wrote:
Orodaran wrote:If they'll play as they say at least 120 minutes, I may be tempted to go... I really liked their concert of one year ago, but it was 30 minutes to short, I want that half hour back :D
They will. There's no opening band so there's no reason to shortened it anymore.
BG generally plays 120-130 minutes no matter if they have support acts ;)

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 25 Aug 2010 22:32
by rdyfrde
Mackasfour wrote:I don't consider BG and Sonata to be remotely close in terms of music. I see Sonata Arctica as power, and BG as progressive.
Sonata isn't Power anymore. Not even remotely close. It's as Tony says, "Melodic Rock". They might have played it in the early days but it's not evident anymore (thank god).
Gandalf de Grijze wrote:BG generally plays 120-130 minutes no matter if they have support acts ;)
Good for them :roll:

Sonata usually plays 90 minutes in most cases. That's why they mentioned in the press release that it's 120 this time around. I assume to play a large section of songs and see what comes out :)

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 26 Aug 2010 01:58
by Led Guardian
Mackasfour wrote:I don't consider BG and Sonata to be remotely close in terms of music. I see Sonata Arctica as power, and BG as progressive. and yes Rdy, I'm very jealous >_<
As I've said before, I would not consider BG prog metal. Having several riffs and melodies in one song does not make it "progressive" in the sense of genre definitions. They include a few prog-type elements, but not enough to make it prog metal. I'd say they're still best classified as power metal, although they are quite different from most power metal bands I've heard (such as earlier SA).

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 26 Aug 2010 08:24
by Daggor
Sonata Arctica started as a Strato-Clone with Ecliptica, on Silence they became a more credible strato-clone by adding Mikko Harkin (Who is an excellent keyboard player), as well as a small guest performances from TK at the end of "false news travels fast". The album incorporated darker melodies and lyrics. This continued on Winterheart's Guild. Mikko Harkin left, so the keyboard duties went back to Tony Kakko, with Jens Johansson recording keyboard solos (Again, even further strato-clone). By Reckoning Night, they had continued with darker melodies, darker lyrics, and more prominent vocal melodies. This was where they started to develop their own power metal sound. Dark, Melodic, very good. Unia was controversial, moved towards more progressive elements, but still maintained very good melodies, very good lyrics.

The Days of Gray was absolute shit though. Unremittingly awful. Tony Kakko, who I've always respected for writing really good music, completely forgot what the word "Melody" meant. Part of the problem is Elias Viljanen, who is nowhere near as good a guitarist as Jani Liimitainen. So when a memorable guitar riff DOES come around (Flag in the Ground), Elias can't make it hit home. He's uninteresting, and he has no bite to his guitar playing.

Meanwhile, Jani Liimitainen released a very good melodic power metal album with his new band, Cain's Offering. Which features Mikko Harkin on keyboards and Timo Kotipelto (singing in his much more natural middle register) on vocals.

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 26 Aug 2010 11:44
by Mackasfour
rdyfrde wrote:
Mackasfour wrote:I don't consider BG and Sonata to be remotely close in terms of music. I see Sonata Arctica as power, and BG as progressive.
Sonata isn't Power anymore. Not even remotely close. It's as Tony says, "Melodic Rock". They might have played it in the early days but it's not evident anymore (thank god).
I prefer SA's earlier stuff. The Days of Grays for me was rather disappointing (As was stated their is a lack of the great melodies SA usually produces). I prefer to look at their earlier stuff and refer to them as Power Metal, though yeah, Tony doesn't like that :P.
Led Guardian wrote:
Mackasfour wrote:I don't consider BG and Sonata to be remotely close in terms of music. I see Sonata Arctica as power, and BG as progressive. and yes Rdy, I'm very jealous >_<
As I've said before, I would not consider BG prog metal. Having several riffs and melodies in one song does not make it "progressive" in the sense of genre definitions. They include a few prog-type elements, but not enough to make it prog metal. I'd say they're still best classified as power metal, although they are quite different from most power metal bands I've heard (such as earlier SA).
Depends which part of BG's career you look to. I see more prog elements in their recent albums, rather than thrash or power
Daggor wrote:Part of the problem is Elias Viljanen, who is nowhere near as good a guitarist as Jani Liimitainen. So when a memorable guitar riff DOES come around (Flag in the Ground), Elias can't make it hit home. He's uninteresting, and he has no bite to his guitar playing.
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This I disagree with, I think Elias is more than capable of a replacement for Jani (Jani being one of my all time fav guitarists). I think people should give a replacement time BEFORE they start judging their capabilities, instead of calling them crap before they get a chance to even start. I think he will do great for the years of SA to come!

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 26 Aug 2010 19:11
by rdyfrde
Mackasfour wrote:This I disagree with, I think Elias is more than capable of a replacement for Jani (Jani being one of my all time fav guitarists). I think people should give a replacement time BEFORE they start judging their capabilities, instead of calling them crap before they get a chance to even start. I think he will do great for the years of SA to come!
Not to mention, before you criticize Elias' playing you should know that he was just following along with Tony's parts. Even Tony was surprised by this because he expected Elias to ignore them as Jani had done in the past.

Just listen to Elias' solo albums. They're way better than the crap that is Cain's Offering.

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 27 Aug 2010 00:21
by Led Guardian
Mackasfour wrote:
Led Guardian wrote:
Mackasfour wrote:I don't consider BG and Sonata to be remotely close in terms of music. I see Sonata Arctica as power, and BG as progressive. and yes Rdy, I'm very jealous >_<
As I've said before, I would not consider BG prog metal. Having several riffs and melodies in one song does not make it "progressive" in the sense of genre definitions. They include a few prog-type elements, but not enough to make it prog metal. I'd say they're still best classified as power metal, although they are quite different from most power metal bands I've heard (such as earlier SA).
Depends which part of BG's career you look to. I see more prog elements in their recent albums, rather than thrash or power
More, yes, but not enough to make them prog metal, imo.

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 27 Aug 2010 00:34
by Daggor
rdyfrde wrote:
Mackasfour wrote:This I disagree with, I think Elias is more than capable of a replacement for Jani (Jani being one of my all time fav guitarists). I think people should give a replacement time BEFORE they start judging their capabilities, instead of calling them crap before they get a chance to even start. I think he will do great for the years of SA to come!
Not to mention, before you criticize Elias' playing you should know that he was just following along with Tony's parts. Even Tony was surprised by this because he expected Elias to ignore them as Jani had done in the past.

Just listen to Elias' solo albums. They're way better than the crap that is Cain's Offering.
>Cain's Offering
>Crap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u9REoTMOL4
What's that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of this song rocking the fuck out.


That's the problem with Elias, he just does what Tony says, and as far as guitar goes, that's not very interesting. Jani brought his own flair into the music and the band was far greater for it. I was rooting so hard for Jani to join Stratovarius after Tolkki left (But Matias Kupiainen has proved to be more than capable)

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 27 Aug 2010 09:37
by Mackasfour
Cain's Offering is pretty decent, though it bores me now.

As for Elias, given his situation, his following of Tony's orders is quite reasonable. He just replaced a great guitarist for a band whose fame is ever rising and have some critical fans. I really wouldn't expect him to come in with a world of confidence to just make everything his way and blow everyones mind, I think it's perfectly reasonable he follows what Tony gives.

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 27 Aug 2010 19:00
by rdyfrde
Daggor wrote: >Cain's Offering
>Crap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u9REoTMOL4
What's that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of this song rocking the fuck out.
It is crap. It sounds just like early Sonata. How original of Jani :roll:

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 27 Aug 2010 20:35
by Regrin
Nahhh Sonata nowdays bores my ass big time!

So probalby I will not attend to their upcoming concert...Anyway they will be welcome to my ears again if they follow their Winterheart´s Guild line, but it seems they are not, so another "skip" band unfortunately :|

p.s.ahaha! I only play Sonata when I want to get laid :P :D Because my girlfriend doesn´t like metal she is into Coldplay and Oasis crap, so she finds Sonata from their lastest albums an OK band :lol:

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 27 Aug 2010 21:10
by Daggor
rdyfrde wrote:
Daggor wrote: >Cain's Offering
>Crap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u9REoTMOL4
What's that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of this song rocking the fuck out.
It is crap. It sounds just like early Sonata. How original of Jani :roll:
And Early Sonata is awesome, I'm failing to see the problem.

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 28 Aug 2010 09:55
by Mackasfour
rdyfrde wrote:
Daggor wrote: >Cain's Offering
>Crap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u9REoTMOL4
What's that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of this song rocking the fuck out.
It is crap. It sounds just like early Sonata. How original of Jani :roll:
I do have to take the Jani Sonata over Elias Sonata sorry. But I am still waiting for Elias to show what he can do, I hope he is able to contribute to make some great albums to come. Since Days of Grays wasn't really my style of SA

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 01 Sep 2010 21:01
by rdyfrde
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

09/01/2010 DVD Show in Milan to be postponed to February 27th, 2011

SONATA ARCTICA regret to inform their Italian fans that the announced show in Milan at the Alcatraz on September 30th, 2010 needs to be postponed.

Reason: while doing his daily exercise routine Elias Viljanen (guitar) broke his right hand. Due to this accident he will not be able to play guitar for the next 5 or 6 weeks.

The new date for the show will be now Sunday, February 27th, 2011 also at the Alcatraz. Of course all tickets for the show September 30th remain valid for the new date.

Sonata Arctica comment:
"It was pretty shocking to hear from Elias about his accident. We are really sorry we need to postpone the show to a later date and want to excuse for any inconveniences this might cause to our fans in Italy and to all fans who had made travel plans from around the world. We really hope to see you all again in February at the Alcatraz".

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 01 Sep 2010 21:26
by Orodaran
*Pats shoulder* I hope you don't lose money over this...

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 01 Sep 2010 22:46
by rdyfrde
Orodaran wrote:*Pats shoulder* I hope you don't lose money over this...
Nope, as I'm still going to Italy anyway. I'll just stay in Turin the whole time instead of staying in Milan for a few days :)

I just wish it wasn't rescheduled in the middle of Winter. It's going to be friggin' freezing waiting outside :(

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 02 Sep 2010 02:36
by Mackasfour
Ouch, that surely does suck, I hope Elias recovers quickly

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 13 Dec 2010 23:37
by rdyfrde
Of course.....

Dear Fans,

We're writing this in order to clear up some confusions about where, when and how we're going to film our next DVD. When the orginal DVD show in Milano was postponed when Elias broke his hand, we put off the preparations for the time being. Some days ago as we were starting to finish the preparation for the show, we realized that we've been mislead about some of the costs for doing the DVD shoot. Mainly we're talking about the pyrotechnics permits, which would have cost roughly 10 times more than anywhere else. This, along with some other unexpected expenses, came as a total surprise to the band. In order to make things work we had to pull the plug on the shoot in Milano and move it to Finland we're we can afford to do a proper DVD shoot. Our management jumped the gun here and told our webmaster to change the info on the website, without us knowing about it and without an explanation.

So, that's the situation we're in right now. We can not even by a longshot afford to do a proper DVD shoot in Milano and will do it in Oulu instead. By doing so we realize that we're letting down all our fans who were planning to come to the show. For that we apologize sincerely. We will play the show in Milano, with all the planned extra numbers, as well as a couple of extra tricks to make up for this mishap ....only the cameras won't be rolling this time. Rather than disappointing all our fans around the world who truly deserve a perfect live DVD we have to let down some of you. We are very sorry that things turned out this way.

Yours,

Sonata Arctica


Well, I have tickets to Milan so I'm still going to it. It sucks that my Elias Rules t-shirt won't be on the DVD :(

Re: New Sonata Arctica dvd

Posted: 13 Dec 2010 23:46
by Orodaran
Maybe I will go as well - if, as they indeed said, will play anyway the extended show (hell, I still have to see the 30 minutes I missed from their gig of last year). Too bad that in Italy it seems that they have more strict laws about pyros - even Bruce Dickinson complained jokinly that "they wouldn't even allow them to set themselves on fire" (but they had some pyros anyway...)