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#1 Post by Andreas » 22 Jun 2010 15:25

So I've been ranted against several times for not knowing anything about the important bands in heavy metal, so I decided to improve my general development. For this, I can use your help too. I have some CDs on my to buy-list to compensate my lack of knowledge, and maybe you have some good ideas that I can put on my list. The oldest albums I own are Blind Guardian's Battalions of Fear and Helloween's Keeper part 1.

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Dio - Holy Diver
Iron Maiden - Powerslave
Megadeth - Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
Queen - A Night At The Opera (ok not metal but still)
Queensrÿche - Operation: Mindcrime
Scorpions - Love At First Sting

Any more suggestions?

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#2 Post by Bender B. Rodriguez » 22 Jun 2010 15:31

Well,while not extrictly "heavy metal",all early Black Sabbath albums are very influential for metal bands in general.
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#3 Post by Desert_Storm » 22 Jun 2010 16:09

Why Powerslave? Not that it wouldn´t be a great album, but I wouldn't call it that album to start with. Let's have a look at the highlights. IMHO they would be:
- Aces High
- 2 Minutes To Midnight (I can't hear it anymore due to mercyless overplay, but still a great song)
- Powerslave (maybe)
- The Rime Of The Ancient Mariner (especially this one)
The thing is, that you would find all of them on their 85 live record Live After Death, which also presents (most of) the gems from their "classic" era (Iron Maiden, Killers, The Number Of The Beast, Piece Of Mind). For a general overview of the classic Maiden, I would therefor strongly reccomend you to start with LAD, from where on you could go on with exploring the single albums. Also, if you're a little like me, you will enjoy the songs live even more than on the studio version, because they are sped up a little and you can hear more emotion. Take for example the marvelous Piece Of Mind song Revelations. I met very few people who liked the (much slower) studio version better than the live one.

For other metal, some people would certainly add some early Metallica albums on that list, if only for the sake of completeness.
Since I won't be that guy, I'll recommend you Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime (melodic/(a little)progressive) instead :wink:
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#4 Post by Dentarthurdent » 22 Jun 2010 16:11

Bender's right there. Especially the Paranoid album is essential.

Some others I'd name under the essentials:

Metallica - Kill 'em all,a nd master of Pupepts probably as well.
Judas Priest - I don't really know which albums since I have to dig into them myself first, maybe someone can elp me out here
Saxon - Wheels of Steel/Strong Arm of the Law
Helloween - Walls of Jericho
Accept - Restless and Wild/Balls to the Wall
Maiden - Number of the Beast

And, often underrated, but imho definitely a must-have:
Flotsam and Jetsam - Doomsday for the Deceiver

Those are some that should be known, imho.
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#5 Post by t.a.j. » 22 Jun 2010 16:34

I'd second Live After Death.
Furthermore I'd recommend the following:
Dream Theater - Images and Words. Apart from the fact that it is a brilliant album, it also offered the blueprint for many progmetal bands to come.
Judas Priest - Painkiller. I would consider this to be the most metal of metal albums and certain Priest's crowning achievement. If you get this and the Metal Works sampler, almost all your Priest is well covered.
Slayer - Reign in Blood. This is Slayer's most famous classic and again an excellent album.
Entombed - Wolverine Blues. Credited with inventing the sub-genre of Death 'n Roll, this album was one of the first attempts by an established band to break out of the early death metal mold.
At The Gates - Slaughter Of The Soul One the primary resources for melodic death metal.
Bathory - Under The Sign of The Black Mark Basically the blueprint for the second wave of black metal.
Savatage - Dead Winter Dead Everybody needs this album. Period.
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#6 Post by Cerbere » 22 Jun 2010 17:33

Or better yet
Bathory- Blood Fire Death
or
Bathory- Hammerheart

As far as Bathory goes, these are the best two albums, they also are basically the start of viking metal.

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#7 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 22 Jun 2010 18:52

Bathory started the viking-movement as much as he started the black metal movement. It was Manowar who started the viking-stuff, the only thing Bathory added was the vacuumcleaner-sound and horrible vocals.
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#8 Post by Cerbere » 22 Jun 2010 18:57

I'd hardly call Manowar viking metal. Listen to One Rode To Asa Bay, and honestly tell me it's not completely awesome.

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#9 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 22 Jun 2010 19:17

I'd hardly call Manowar viking metal.
I never said that, I merely disproved your connatation of the fact that Bathory started the viking-movement. They didn't, just like Venom started the black metal movement but didn't actually play it.

As for viking-metal: Manowar started it, Bathory copied the idea, deducted the good vocals and songwriting and had the nerve to release what was left of it.
Listen to One Rode To Asa Bay, and honestly tell me it's not completely awesome.
It's about as awesome as masturbating with a pocketknife.
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#10 Post by Andreas » 22 Jun 2010 19:24

Thanks for the advice so far. To give you an idea about the kind of music I'm looking for, I replied to all t.a.j.'s propositions.
t.a.j. wrote:I'd second Live After Death.
Furthermore I'd recommend the following:
Dream Theater - Images and Words. Apart from the fact that it is a brilliant album, it also offered the blueprint for many progmetal bands to come.
Judas Priest - Painkiller. I would consider this to be the most metal of metal albums and certain Priest's crowning achievement. If you get this and the Metal Works sampler, almost all your Priest is well covered.
OK then I'll have a look :) Wouldn't British Steel also be a good option when talking about JP?
Slayer - Reign in Blood. This is Slayer's most famous classic and again an excellent album.
Entombed - Wolverine Blues. Credited with inventing the sub-genre of Death 'n Roll, this album was one of the first attempts by an established band to break out of the early death metal mold.
At The Gates - Slaughter Of The Soul One the primary resources for melodic death metal.
Bathory - Under The Sign of The Black Mark Basically the blueprint for the second wave of black metal.
These bands are just not my taste, but thanks anyway
Savatage - Dead Winter Dead Everybody needs this album. Period.
It's from the nineties if I recall correctly, but it was on my list already ;)

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#11 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 22 Jun 2010 19:51

Wouldn't British Steel also be a good option when talking about JP?
It's a good album, a great one even, but it's about as pop as you can get within the metal-genre. Painkiller is a more cutting-edge, in-your-face metal-album.

Some albums I would like to throw in for consideration:

Edguy - Mandrake
Avantasia - The Metal Opera 2
Blaze - Blood And Belief
Sick Of It All - Built To Last
Orphanage - By Time Alone
Halford - Resurrection
Freedom Call - Circle Of Life
Stratovarius - Infinity
Gamma Ray - No World Order
Testament - the one with all the rerecorded tracks
Pentacle - Rides The Moonstorm
Paradise Lost - One Second
Cradle of Filth - Dusk And Her Embrace
Amon Amarth - For The World
Rhapsody - Symphony 2
Therion - Theli
Merciful Fate - Melissa
Grip Inc - Nemissis
Megadeth - Countdown To Extinction (original, not the remaster)
Virgin Steele - House Of Atreus Act 2
Within Temptation - The Silent Force
TSO - Beethovens Last Night
Machine Head - The More Things Change
Dismember - Death Metal
Moonspell - Irreligious
Slayer - Reign In Blood
Iron Maiden - Somewhere in time
God Dethtroned - Ravenous
Kreator - Violent Revolution
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#12 Post by Bender B. Rodriguez » 22 Jun 2010 20:23

Pantera also did their homework during the nineties,many bands were influenced by them(i'm not naming them,research),check out Cowboys from hell and Vulgar display of power.
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#13 Post by corrupted old gnom » 22 Jun 2010 21:07

...or just try to get your hands on the metal decade samplers which were released during the 80ies 8)
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#14 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 22 Jun 2010 21:16

Or get a shitload of RockHard sampler-cd's: that's how I did it in the nineties. I even learned to read German that way, because you would get a free magazine with the purchase of a cd.

Another good way to discover great music was something I took from what Jon Bon Jovi once said on a live-cd. Find out who your favourite artist are, then try to find out who their favourite artists are.

This last method helped me discover tons of great bands and artists, and it's a method I still apply fifteen years later. Wikipedia is a godsend in this respect.
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#15 Post by Dentarthurdent » 22 Jun 2010 22:39

last.fm is pretty cool there s well: you type in a band, and they play similar bands, by stats based on the users' tastes.
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#16 Post by Desert_Storm » 22 Jun 2010 22:40

I´d second Painkiller and Images&Words. Of course, t.a.j.'s other albums are basic knowledge as well (especially Slayer's RIB), as are some of them that Dent mentioned (here especially Metallica). It highly depends on where you want to go, though. For all the sub-generes there are in metal, you could buy a thousand of "essential" albums, so the questions is what you are into. What I heard from you is mostly melodic stuff, so I´d probably start with prog/power/melodic/traditional/NWOBH etc. first. Adding maybe an early Manowar album (Probably Battle Hymns) to the bunch, you could cover the essentials there with the already mentioned IM, Priest, DT, Helloween (+/-). For the more trashier stuff, metallica, slayer, etc. For death others. For black others. etc.
So you probably want to focus on one thing at a time.
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#17 Post by Palantyre » 23 Jun 2010 00:10

Rainbow - Richie Blackmore's Rainbow
Rainbow - Rising
Rainbow - Long Live Rock 'n Roll


Maybe not metal in the strictest sense of the word, but essential nonetheless. And If you only want one, pick Rising.
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#18 Post by blind-man » 23 Jun 2010 01:41

Rainbow Rising is a great suggestion (recognize the cover on my avatar? ;)). Basically all the elements of what would later become power metal are there: double bass drums, high pitched vocals, lyrics about dungeons and dragons and blistering guitar solos.

And if you want to consider yourself a well versed headbanger, the holy trinity of hard rock is just mandatory: Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath. These 3 bands together laid down most of the foundations of what we know today as heavy metal.
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#19 Post by Joost » 23 Jun 2010 02:02

some 80s heavy metal (melodic, but still heavy, and often with a progressive edge) that you need to hear:

Queensrÿche - Warning
Crimson Glory - Crimson Glory
Fates Warning - Awaken the Guardian
Savatage - Hall of the Mountain King

also:

Metallica - Ride the Lightning (yes, that's *the* Metallica album to get)
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell
Deep Purple - Made in Japan
Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny (not the most accessible or heavy album by Priest, but the album that will show you where some common elements of metal originated... and songs like Dreamer Deceiver just need to be heard!)

and Palantyre is right about Rainbow, too. ;)
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#20 Post by Palantyre » 23 Jun 2010 05:23

Of course I am. :)
Even if those albums weren't as influential as they are, they'd still be worth getting because they are friggin' awesome plain music-wise. Songs like Kill the King, Gates of Babylon, Man on a Silver Mountain, etc... and especially Stargazer.

As for the "Holy Trinity of Hard Rock", I can't deny the three bands are pretty essential, although I must admit I was never personally too wild about Zeppelin or Sabbath.

Deep Purple are amazing, though. The Hammond organ is a great sounding rock instrument, and Purple were masters of that. Also, the song Burn contains the best rock riff in the history of ever.
I'd rather recommend just grabbing some "Best of" album though, but that's just me.
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#21 Post by Andreas » 23 Jun 2010 15:46

The Rider Of Rohan wrote:
Wouldn't British Steel also be a good option when talking about JP?
It's a good album, a great one even, but it's about as pop as you can get within the metal-genre. Painkiller is a more cutting-edge, in-your-face metal-album.
I'll see which one is cheaper then. How you describe it, I might like Painkiller a bit more.
Some albums I would like to throw in for consideration:

Edguy - Mandrake
Avantasia - The Metal Opera 2
Freedom Call - Circle Of Life
Stratovarius - Infinity
Rhapsody - Symphony 2
Got them already :)
Blaze - Blood And Belief
Sick Of It All - Built To Last
Iron Maiden - Somewhere in time
Halford - Resurrection
Gamma Ray - No World Order
Testament - the one with all the rerecorded tracks
Megadeth - Countdown To Extinction (original, not the remaster)
Virgin Steele - House Of Atreus Act 2
Within Temptation - The Silent Force
Paradise Lost - One Second
Therion - Theli
Merciful Fate - Melissa
Grip Inc - Nemissis
Machine Head - The More Things Change
Those might be good options, thanks :) I already own Gamma Ray's Blast From The Past though, so I'm not completely ignorant when it comes to them.
TSO - Beethovens Last Night
Is on the list already
Dismember - Death Metal
Moonspell - Irreligious
Cradle of Filth - Dusk And Her Embrace
Amon Amarth - For The World
Orphanage - By Time Alone
God Dethtroned - Ravenous
Kreator - Violent Revolution
Slayer - Reign In Blood
Pentacle - Rides The Moonstorm
I don't like extreme metal, so these bands won't work for me. I'm mainly into heavy, power and prog metal.

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#22 Post by Dentarthurdent » 23 Jun 2010 15:52

Then the bands I named are compulsory ;)
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#23 Post by Andreas » 23 Jun 2010 15:55

Yeah I think so. I thought about those for a while, and I know the song Balls to the Wall already (and I like it). So thanks :)

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#24 Post by Dentarthurdent » 23 Jun 2010 17:26

that was the first song I knew as well^^

by the way, there's a new Accept-album coming in the nd of August with a new singer, there's a first video online called Teutonic Terror, and that one's fucking amazing ;)
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#25 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 23 Jun 2010 19:01

Andreas wrote:
Dismember - Death Metal
Moonspell - Irreligious
Cradle of Filth - Dusk And Her Embrace
Amon Amarth - For The World
Orphanage - By Time Alone
God Dethtroned - Ravenous
Kreator - Violent Revolution
Slayer - Reign In Blood
Pentacle - Rides The Moonstorm
I don't like extreme metal, so these bands won't work for me. I'm mainly into heavy, power and prog metal.
I understand the sentiment and I won't argue it, although I would still encourage you to at least check out Kreator and Moonspell, perhaps just download them to see if you like it. They might not fit into the styles you just mentioned, but they just might have enough in common to make them enjoyable still.

The bridge between the faster Iced Earth and Kreator is quite small, for example, as is the bridge between symphonic power metal and Moonspell's Irreligious.

Just an advice, do with it what you want. ;)
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#26 Post by Andreas » 23 Jun 2010 20:13

As far as I remembered, the singer of Kreator didn't have a melodic voice, but then I remembered him singing on a song of Edguy (Mysteria). And that other one might be interesting aswell, I'll give them both a listen.

And concerning "extreme" metal, I've been much more open-minded lately to this kind of music, but it just doesn't fit my tastes. But never say never.

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#27 Post by Dentarthurdent » 23 Jun 2010 20:17

well, Mille (Kreator's singer) isn't really melodic, rather your usual Thrash-singer, maybe a bit more evil^^
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#28 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 23 Jun 2010 20:18

Well, I leave it all up to your wisdom.

Oh, and concerning Brittish Steel: I just read they rereleased it with a bonus dvd where the play the entire album live. Seems to me it's an album worth getting.

http://www.lordsofmetal.nl/showreview.p ... 41&lang=en
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#29 Post by corrupted old gnom » 23 Jun 2010 21:42

Joost wrote: Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny (not the most accessible or heavy album by Priest, but the album that will show you where some common elements of metal originated... and songs like Dreamer Deceiver just need to be heard!)
...and yet i much prefer skyclad's cover version of dreamer deceiver 8)
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#30 Post by End Of An Era » 23 Jun 2010 23:45

Andreas wrote:I decided to improve my general development.
Andreas wrote:I don't like extreme metal, so these bands won't work for me. I'm mainly into heavy, power and prog metal.
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#31 Post by t.a.j. » 24 Jun 2010 08:14

Point made.
You didn't ask to recommended bands you would like, you asked for metal essentials. That's what I delivered.
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#32 Post by Andreas » 24 Jun 2010 08:38

Yes you both made your point, and thanks for giving the advice, but I'm not gonna listen to stuff that I won't dig. Mentioning the genres was to find maybe more suggestions especially when it comes to prog metal. By even looking for 80s stuff I've been far more open-minded than usual :P
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Oh, and concerning Brittish Steel: I just read they rereleased it with a bonus dvd where the play the entire album live. Seems to me it's an album worth getting.

http://www.lordsofmetal.nl/showreview.p ... 41&lang=en
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#33 Post by t.a.j. » 24 Jun 2010 09:47

Maybe, just maybe, you'll give some of that a try. Just so you know where stuff came from and maybe get an idea about what was so special about it. After all, you live in the age of the download, so you don't have to buy an album you don't like just so you can listen to an album that is important in metal in general.

But if you're determined otherwise, check out Warlord, Omen and Sanctuary. Those three are probably the paragorns of 80ties metal, once you get past the big league.
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#34 Post by Dentarthurdent » 24 Jun 2010 11:36

oh, and Warlock, of course!
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#35 Post by t.a.j. » 24 Jun 2010 13:01

Dentarthurdent wrote:oh, and Warlock, of course!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Honestly? Warlock were so bland. There was so much better female fronted metal than Warlock and Lite Ford.
Zed Yago come to mind and so do Chastain, not to mention Black Knight, though only a few of their released songs have a female singer.
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#36 Post by Dentarthurdent » 24 Jun 2010 13:14

I have Burning the Witches and Triumph and Agony, and they've got a couple of killer tracks on'em.
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#37 Post by Desert_Storm » 24 Jun 2010 17:03

Andreas wrote:(...)especially when it comes to prog metal(...)
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#38 Post by Andreas » 24 Jun 2010 17:58

Yeah, Joost already mentioned Fates Warning, which might be a good idea too. His whole list is actually quite interesting. Anyway thanks for your time :)

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#39 Post by Catanduva » 01 Jul 2010 01:01

Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath

Check The Wizard first.

Black Sabbath - Paranoid

Check War Pigs and Hand of Doom first.

Black Sabbath - Master of Reality

Check Children of the Grave first.

Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell

Check Die Young and Neon Knights first.

Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden

Check Charlotte the Harlot first.

Judas Priest - Painkiller

Check Touch of Evil and All Guns Blazing

Metallica - Master of Puppets

Check Battery and title track first.
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#40 Post by Catanduva » 01 Jul 2010 01:15

British Steel is lighter than Painkiller, maybe you should start with it before Painkiller.

There is a classic that I didn't recommend because new fans usually don't like the vocals, unfortunately: Melissa - Mercyful Fate. Talking about Mercyful Fate, it's better to start with the album The Beggining, which has less falsetto on vocals.

About some second line bands, I recommend.

Gamma Ray - Blast From The Past (it's a best of)

Manowar - Fighting The World

Rage - Trapped!
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#41 Post by Catanduva » 01 Jul 2010 01:20

Or better, check these Rage songs on You Tube and decide if you prefer Trapped!, Missing Link or End of All Days, etc.:

Enough Is Enough
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#42 Post by Little Dragon » 01 Jul 2010 01:35

if you want more progstuff i recommed

Pagan's Mind
Riverside
Symphony X
Jethro Tull

apart from that you might want to try

Orphaned Land
Amorphis (think you would like the nerwer stuff a bit more the old stuff could be too "extreme")
Rage
Grave Digger

you'll find out that not all of these are "old" bands, but it's not so important to listen and like the old stuff. it's more about knowing what it is, "have heard them, do not like it", maybe listening to it again after a few years (you'd be amazed how your preferences in liking which kind of metal and music changes over the time) and discover the style you like and listen to it. and don't worry if one day you ain't listening to stuff anymore you like atm. it's completely normal ;)

so, just try a few songs on youtube and after that buy what you like ;)
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#43 Post by Envinyatar » 01 Jul 2010 07:39

Little Dragon wrote: Amorphis (think you would like the nerwer stuff a bit more the old stuff could be too "extreme")
Small addition there: In fact the newer stuff (= last 3 albums, if you meant that?) is partly even more extreme than albums like "Tuonela", "Am Universum" and "Far From The Sun" - those don't use growls (if so, I can't remember it) and are somewhat more progressive than the other albums if you ask me :) If you're not into extreme stuff, I recommend Tuonela.
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#44 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 03 Jul 2010 11:08

Today I went to do some digging in the history of Swedish heavy metal. Here's some albums I think are essential.

Nocturnal Rites - The Sacred Talisman
Stefan Elmgren's First Strike - We Will Rise
The Storyteller - The Storyteller
Falconer - Falconer
Evergrey - Recreation Day
Nostradameus - Prophet Of Evil
Lost Horizon - Awakening The world
Narnia - Long Live The King
Dragonland - Battle Of The Ivory Plains

Not all of these are very well-known and some might be very hard to track down, but all of them are worth your time. They all show how much creativity there was in Sweden after HammerFall eshtablished themselves at the most important metalband of the nineties - for some time there were better albums coming out of Sweden than there were out of Germany.

The first three albums are in my top 10 favourite PM-albums ever. I consider First Strike to be the best Swedish power metalband ever (although few have heasrd the album).
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#45 Post by Andreas » 03 Jul 2010 11:37

Catanduva wrote:There is a classic that I didn't recommend because new fans usually don't like the vocals, unfortunately: Melissa - Mercyful Fate. Talking about Mercyful Fate, it's better to start with the album The Beggining, which has less falsetto on vocals.
When I first heard NiME (my first BG album), I didn't like the vocals either. I'm a bit more openminded these days. So I'll give it a try.
Gamma Ray - Blast From The Past (it's a best of)
Got it :mrgreen:
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Pagan's Mind
Riverside
Symphony X
Jethro Tull

apart from that you might want to try

Orphaned Land
Amorphis (think you would like the nerwer stuff a bit more the old stuff could be too "extreme")
Rage
Grave Digger
Most of these bands I've heard some stuff from already, and it's definitely worth some more tries IMO.
you'll find out that not all of these are "old" bands, but it's not so important to listen and like the old stuff. it's more about knowing what it is, "have heard them, do not like it", maybe listening to it again after a few years (you'd be amazed how your preferences in liking which kind of metal and music changes over the time) and discover the style you like and listen to it. and don't worry if one day you ain't listening to stuff anymore you like atm. it's completely normal ;)

so, just try a few songs on youtube and after that buy what you like ;)
I've been into metal for just a little bit more than two years now, so that's not a very long time. It started with HammerFall, and their story is that they are heavily influenced by the 80s heavy metal. So that's why I recently bought some classics like Holy Diver, Operation Mindcrime and such. And I like them alot, so the "heard them, not like them" isn't applicable right now. But in the future, I'm sure that will happen a few times. Anyway thanks for the help :)

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#46 Post by Andreas » 03 Jul 2010 11:45

The Rider Of Rohan wrote:Today I went to do some digging in the history of Swedish heavy metal. Here's some albums I think are essential.

Nocturnal Rites - The Sacred Talisman
Stefan Elmgren's First Strike - We Will Rise
Dragonland - Battle Of The Ivory Plains
Falconer - Falconer
Got 'em 8) Oh, and it's Stefan Elmgren's Full Strike :wink:
The Storyteller - The Storyteller
Evergrey - Recreation Day
Nostradameus - Prophet Of Evil
Narnia - Long Live The King

Not all of these are very well-known and some might be very hard to track down, but all of them are worth your time. They all show how much creativity there was in Sweden after HammerFall eshtablished themselves at the most important metalband of the nineties - for some time there were better albums coming out of Sweden than there were out of Germany.
Mmm, I'll check them out for sure. Thanks :)
Lost Horizon - Awakening The world
Gave it a try last week Saturday in Amsterdam. Didn't appeal to me for some reason, I didn't expect that.
The first three albums are in my top 10 favourite PM-albums ever. I consider First Strike to be the best Swedish power metalband ever (although few have heasrd the album).
It's a personal favourite of mine as well. I got it like half a year since I got hooked on metal. Great stuff 8)

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#47 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 03 Jul 2010 13:02

Lost Horizon - Awakening The world
Gave it a try last week Saturday in Amsterdam. Didn't appeal to me for some reason, I didn't expect that.
That's surprising, especially because their debut-album contains material from when the band was named Highlander, which was the band Stefan Elmgren and Joacim Cans were in before they were invited to Hammerfall.

And no, I'm not mad at you for not liking them, just showing off my knowledge odf unimportant power metal trivia. :P
The first three albums are in my top 10 favourite PM-albums ever. I consider First Strike to be the best Swedish power metalband ever (although few have heasrd the album).
It's a personal favourite of mine as well. I got it like half a year since I got hooked on metal. Great stuff 8)
I'm both shocked (to know anyone knows the album) and pleased (because I'm not the only one). I picked up my copy in Göteborg during a holyday in 2002 and haven't seen one since. But it's an amazing album, surpassing the best Hammerfall ever did. 8)

Btw, I'm listening to Primal Fear's Nuclear Fire right now. It's an amazing blast from the past. Did you check that one out already? If not I suggest you should, together with Devil's Ground and New Religion. Great JP-like stuff on there.
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#48 Post by Andreas » 03 Jul 2010 13:59

The Rider Of Rohan wrote:
Lost Horizon - Awakening The world
Gave it a try last week Saturday in Amsterdam. Didn't appeal to me for some reason, I didn't expect that.
That's surprising, especially because their debut-album contains material from when the band was named Highlander, which was the band Stefan Elmgren and Joacim Cans were in before they were invited to Hammerfall.

And no, I'm not mad at you for not liking them, just showing off my knowledge odf unimportant power metal trivia. :P
I was in a hurry and what I heard didn't sound like anything special to me. I might go back one day to give it another try, but right now I'm just focussing on the albums I got recently.
I'm both shocked (to know anyone knows the album) and pleased (because I'm not the only one). I picked up my copy in Göteborg during a holyday in 2002 and haven't seen one since. But it's an amazing album, surpassing the best Hammerfall ever did. 8)
Mmm, Crimson Thunder gives me so much good memories that I don't agree with you on the last part. But I like it better than some HF albums indeed. Speaking about HF sideprojects, I'm also into Cans' solowork. You know it? On a sidenote: one and a half year ago I saw the Full Strike album in Nijmegen. They had lots of copies of them, that's how I got to know about it.
Btw, I'm listening to Primal Fear's Nuclear Fire right now. It's an amazing blast from the past. Did you check that one out already? If not I suggest you should, together with Devil's Ground and New Religion. Great JP-like stuff on there.
Actually I was looking for Nuclear Fire while being in Amsterdam, but it wasn't there as far as I remember. But then again, I got so many albums there for a good price, that I'm not too disappointed. I'm sure I'll find it somewhere else 8)

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#49 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 03 Jul 2010 14:44

yeah, I know about Can's solo-cd. It's an okay cd, but nothing special. I remember only two great songs on it. Something about gates of something, and something else about the red something.

I did an interview with Joacim at the time about his cd.

http://www.lordsofmetal.nl/showspecial. ... 54&lang=en
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#50 Post by Andreas » 03 Jul 2010 21:21

The Rider Of Rohan wrote:yeah, I know about Can's solo-cd. It's an okay cd, but nothing special. I remember only two great songs on it. Something about gates of something, and something else about the red something.
That would be Beyond the Gates and Red Light ;)
I like that album alot by the way, but it could be the memories.
I did an interview with Joacim at the time about his cd.

http://www.lordsofmetal.nl/showspecial. ... 54&lang=en
Yeah I know that interview. I'll read it again, at that time I wasn't familiar with Jorn Lande yet.

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