2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#51 Post by Traveller in Time » 28 Sep 2018 19:49

like i said, i first thought that system's failing is the working / demo title of "I'm alive".

Now i am not sure. On The description of the LP version you can read:
11. System's Failing (2018 Mix)
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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#52 Post by Dragonfly » 28 Sep 2018 19:59

And, if I'm not mistaken, the demo of "I'm Alive" is about the same length as the regular version of the song (5:30) while this one is 4:24 according to Nuclear Blast. Seems to be something different.
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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#53 Post by Traveller in Time » 28 Sep 2018 20:39

Dragonfly wrote:
28 Sep 2018 19:59
And, if I'm not mistaken, the demo of "I'm Alive" is about the same length as the regular version of the song (5:30) while this one is 4:24 according to Nuclear Blast. Seems to be something different.
There is a point in that... although there is a difference of 13s between the demo (An extraordinary tales) and the regular album song.

On the other side Market Square was 5:01 while Straight through the mirror had 5:50
Or Dead Sound of Misery 5:17 while Fly had 5:47
i could continue with the demo songs from IFTOS which differ in length from the final title.

But yeah i just rely on the "fact" that the system failed is within the lyrics of I'm alive , so maybe it was in the lyrics of the working title more spread. i doubt that it is another unfinshed song.... on the other side maybe Rock hard amgazine just brought up the story of BOF, FTB, TFTTW and SFB, so there will be a second part with IFTOS, NIME, ANATO. So another possible exclusiv CD with an new song?

I feel like i heard about the song title somewhere, i checked my stored interviews, but i haven't found anything. But it sounds familiar.....damn i am getting old :cry:
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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#54 Post by ErHaO » 29 Sep 2018 02:05

Same here, sounds familiar. But that is probably due to I'm Alive lyrics I guess. Anyways, I kinda assume it is a demo that differs enough from the ultimate product to warrant a different name.

Also, on the NB website Tides of War is listed as "original line-up". What does that mean I wonder? Thomen drumming? Old recording?

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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#55 Post by Dragonfly » 29 Sep 2018 19:44

Traveller in Time wrote:
28 Sep 2018 20:39
Dragonfly wrote:
28 Sep 2018 19:59
And, if I'm not mistaken, the demo of "I'm Alive" is about the same length as the regular version of the song (5:30) while this one is 4:24 according to Nuclear Blast. Seems to be something different.
There is a point in that... although there is a difference of 13s between the demo (An extraordinary tales) and the regular album song.

On the other side Market Square was 5:01 while Straight through the mirror had 5:50
Or Dead Sound of Misery 5:17 while Fly had 5:47
i could continue with the demo songs from IFTOS which differ in length from the final title.
I actually meant that the demo for "I'm Alive" is 5:20 (close enough to the album version), so "System's Failing" must be something else.

Also, a bit off-topic but still: Traveller in Time, could you please travel to the future, get the orchestral album and bring it back to us so we can check it out? Would it be too much to ask for such a favour? :mrgreen:
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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#56 Post by Traveller in Time » 30 Sep 2018 12:12

Traveler in time knowing that there's no rhyme
The morning sun is near
First light of dawn is here
The morning sun is near again
So be patient, the morning sun (orchestral album) is near. :mrgreen:
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ON Topic:
so there is at least something in the near future to look forward to :-)
What do you think, could it be a new song?
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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#57 Post by priderock » 30 Sep 2018 13:01

Yes, I also think it's a new one, eve that I've never heard about an unfinished "Imaginations..." track :? And if it is a new one, why is placed after the cover of "The Wizard"?

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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#58 Post by Dragonfly » 30 Sep 2018 19:42

Traveller in Time wrote:
30 Sep 2018 12:12
Traveler in time knowing that there's no rhyme
The morning sun is near
First light of dawn is here
The morning sun is near again
So be patient, the morning sun (orchestral album) is near. :mrgreen:
i wish i could Dragonfly, although Doc Brown would dislike it :wink:

ON Topic:
so there is at least something in the near future to look forward to :-)
What do you think, could it be a new song?
Yeah I know. It didn't hurt to try though... I'll let you know if I by chance come across a time machine. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

It could be an unrevealed song from the Imaginations era I guess. I don't think I've seen it appear somewhere else... Maybe Hansi can shed some light on the origin of this little mystery? Come join us in this thread, the mighty Bard!
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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#59 Post by Traveller in Time » 04 Oct 2018 21:50

ErHaO wrote:Also, on the NB website Tides of War is listed as "original line-up". What does that mean I wonder? Thomen drumming? Old recording?
it is with Thomen on drums and Holzwarth on the bass. Because it is from old recording sessions. But they also have a new recorded one with Frederik and Barend, Hansi was joking about that they will release it in 2035.
Dragonfly wrote: Yeah I know. It didn't hurt to try though... I'll let you know if I by chance come across a time machine.
a miracle machine, we must hide it secretly.....

We could try to invoke Hansi....

maybe with 3 times saying "Hans Jürgen "The mighty bard" Kürsch" (in front of a (red?) mirror)
With complains/begging (less working)
or with a pack Funny Frisch Ungarisch or danish cake :D
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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#60 Post by Traveller in Time » 07 Oct 2018 20:58

Some more hint about system's failing
On amazon site of the vinyl is written:
Disk: 2
1. Bright Eyes (2012 Remix and Remaster)
2. Another Holy War (2012 Remix and Remaster)
3. And the Story Ends (2012 Remix and Remaster)
4. The Wizard (2018 Remix and Remaster)
5. System's Failing (2018 Mix)
So it is not a remastered or remixed, it is mix, and there is no sense to mix a old demo, so maybe we really have a new song here.
On the other side it could be still an old song with different arrangement and lyrics.
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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#61 Post by priderock » 13 Oct 2018 08:51

It seems that System's Failing will be just a cover of MSG - System's failing song

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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#62 Post by Traveller in Time » 13 Oct 2018 12:14

priderock wrote:
13 Oct 2018 08:51
It seems that System's Failing will be just a cover of MSG - System's failing song
thanks for the info. Have you read it somewhere or have you just compared the song length?
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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#63 Post by priderock » 13 Oct 2018 15:24

Traveller in Time wrote:
13 Oct 2018 12:14
priderock wrote:
13 Oct 2018 08:51
It seems that System's Failing will be just a cover of MSG - System's failing song
thanks for the info. Have you read it somewhere or have you just compared the song length?
Just remembered that the band had an unreleased MSG cover during the IFTOS period. hope my mind is not playing me tricks :D

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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#64 Post by Traveller in Time » 13 Oct 2018 22:18

yeah it sounds now familiar to me...there was something, and i had the feeling that i heard about the song name before. Thanks!
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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#65 Post by priderock » 14 Oct 2018 07:23

Traveller in Time wrote:
13 Oct 2018 22:18
yeah it sounds now familiar to me...there was something, and i had the feeling that i heard about the song name before. Thanks!
You're welcome! ;)

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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#66 Post by Gorthaur » 16 Oct 2018 14:56

I don't know if it's been answered or brainstormed already, but I was curious about new NiME timeline with Doom and Tides counted in. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I believe that ''new way'' of listening to NiME should be with Tides between Minstrel and Curse and Doom between Final Chapter and Harvest, right?

So...

---
The Minstrel
Tides of War
The Curse of Feanor
...
Final Chapter
Doom
Harvest of Sorrow

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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#67 Post by priderock » 16 Oct 2018 15:59

Gorthaur wrote:
16 Oct 2018 14:56
I don't know if it's been answered or brainstormed already, but I was curious about new NiME timeline with Doom and Tides counted in. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I believe that ''new way'' of listening to NiME should be with Tides between Minstrel and Curse and Doom between Final Chapter and Harvest, right?

So...

---
The Minstrel
Tides of War
The Curse of Feanor
...
Final Chapter
Doom
Harvest of Sorrow
Yes, I really don't know why the songs are not in that order actually... I was really hoping to be included that way :roll:

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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#68 Post by JazzJackrabbit » 16 Oct 2018 17:01

They're bonus tracks and they should be kept as such IMO.

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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#69 Post by Dragonfly » 16 Oct 2018 20:00

Yeah, that would break the flow of a classic record, such changes are rarely accepted easily by the audience. That would cause a lot of controversy I think. Although they could experiment a little bit and modify the tracklist on the remastered CD while keeping the original one intact. That would make sense I guess.
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Re: 2018 Remixed, Double CDs / LP

#70 Post by Gorthaur » 16 Oct 2018 21:12

I'm fine with the classic order, ofc, just thought how to queue them up when listening at home :D

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