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Re: Rating all that is beyond the red mirror

#51 Post by priderock » 01 Feb 2015 20:13

Actually, at least there're some bells from 2:59 seconds, but I agree in what you mean :)

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#52 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 01 Feb 2015 20:22

not sure if an added orchestral approach would improve it so much for me, though obviously we can't judge that. There are some undeniably awesome parts in it though..
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#53 Post by priderock » 01 Feb 2015 20:27

Gandalf de Grijze wrote:not sure if an added orchestral approach would improve it so much for me, though obviously we can't judge that. There are some undeniably awesome parts in it though..
Yes, you have a point! Btw, the part between the first chorus and the second one is really emotional :)

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#54 Post by OmegaSlayer » 01 Feb 2015 21:15

Obviously just slapping an orchestra on the song just for the sake of it wouldn't improve it much.
But for example, start changing in your mind the distorted guitars in fade in with horns and let your imagination do the rest ;)

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#55 Post by xalock » 02 Feb 2015 00:20

I really love this album though I don't know if it is as good as ATEOT yet.

The Ninth Wave 9
Twilight Of The Gods 8
Prophecies 9
At The Edge Of Time 8'5
Ashes Of Eternity 8
Distant Memories 9
The Holy Grail 8'5
The Throne 9
Sacred Mind 8'5
Miracle Machine 8'5
Grand Parade 8'5
Doom 8

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#56 Post by loren » 02 Feb 2015 01:53

I wonder why they didn't treat "Doom" the same as all the other tracks on the album, production-wise. It's basically a demo and that can be distinguished quite easily, in comparison to the others... I mean "Distant Memories" is also a "bonus" track...The only difference between those 2 bonus tracks is that the demo-sounding one is the one that was written mostly by Marcus....In an album which eventually, didn't contain yet another track of Marcus ("Winter's Coming") we were informed about, by Hansi on October 2013...
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Re: Rating all that is beyond the red mirror

#57 Post by ErHaO » 02 Feb 2015 02:57

loren wrote:I wonder why they didn't treat "Doom" the same as all the other tracks on the album, production-wise. It's basically a demo and that can be distinguished quite easily, in comparison to the others... I mean "Distant Memories" is also a "bonus" track...The only difference between those 2 bonus tracks is that the demo-sounding one is the one that was written mostly by Marcus....In an album which eventually, didn't contain yet another track of Marcus ("Winter's Coming") we were informed about, by Hansi on October 2013...
Because I think Distant Memories was purely cut for marketing purposes and Doom was actually something that does not fit in the concept directly,

With that said, I really like the song and it has it's place as some kind of pre-sequel thing Hansi called it.

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#58 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 02 Feb 2015 10:48

Current standing:
The Ninth Wave 8.2/10
Twilight Of The Gods 7.1/10
Prophecies 8.5/10
At The Edge Of Time 8.7/10
Ashes Of Eternity 6.8/10
Distant Memories 8.7/10
The Holy Grail 9.0/10
The Throne 9.3/10
Sacred Mind 8.5/10
Miracle Machine 8.1/10
Grand Parade 8.6/10
Doom 7.7/10


still a tie between ATEOT (song) and DM, when looking at 2 decimals though Distant memories wins with an average of 8.71 against 8.69 for At The Edge Of Time
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Re: Rating all that is beyond the red mirror

#59 Post by Warmoth » 02 Feb 2015 20:21

I heard "Doom" 8/10.

I like the evil piano bits sprinkled ever so lightly. As well as the clean guitars.
Super catchy Chorus

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#60 Post by Ryu » 03 Feb 2015 07:00

Just had Doom sink in.

It had (has?) the potential of being one of the strongest tracks. The aggression and riffing are extremely NIME-reminiscent; the chorus is catchy, I just sort of wish the choral parts were more varied and extended. Nothing recycled from Andre which is refreshing and welcome. Also, is that a bass note I hear in there sometimes? Wow, what

It suffers very slightly in the same way Ashes did, in that I feel there are smaller interludes/sections which would serve as a stronger chorus.. To speak a little toward this, I feel the portion beginning around 1:33 could have been expounded upon and molded in to a very pleasing, if a little more upbeat, chorus.

If I had any more grievances, one would be that the song sort of flickers out and dies suddenly. Not the wisest way to close such a grandiose album.

All that aside it gets an 8.5 from me.
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#61 Post by RandomName » 03 Feb 2015 07:58

The Ninth Wave 8/10 a great song but the chorus is way too happy as for me
Twilight Of The Gods 7/10 a very good song but imho it would be better to release it as a single; it breaks the album's mood and style... maybe I am wrong but compared to the rest of the songs it falls out of the album in terms of musical language it uses
Prophecies 8/10
At The Edge Of Time 8/10
Ashes Of Eternity 8/10
Distant Memories 8/10
The Holy Grail 9.5/10
The Throne 100500 - kidding - 10/10, an absolute masterpiece, I was surprised that Hansi is not completely happy with his singing there; a really really great song if not the greatest ever
Sacred Mind 10/10 - a great song; outstanding; not worse than The Throne
Miracle Machine 8/10
Grand Parade 9/10

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#62 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 03 Feb 2015 11:07

Current standing:
The Ninth Wave 8.2/10
Twilight Of The Gods 7.1/10
Prophecies 8.5/10
At The Edge Of Time 8.7/10
Ashes Of Eternity 6.9/10
Distant Memories 8.7/10
The Holy Grail 9.0/10
The Throne 9.3/10
Sacred Mind 8.5/10
Miracle Machine 8.1/10
Grand Parade 8.6/10
Doom 7.8/10



Standing with 25 votes counted for most songs (24 for Distant Memories and 11 for Doom)
average of 8.3
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#63 Post by thesuicider » 03 Feb 2015 12:15

Absolute masterpiece.
The Ninth Wave 9
Twilight Of The Gods 7
Prophecies 9.5
At The Edge Of Time 9.5
Ashes Of Eternity 8
Distant Memories 9.5
The Holy Grail 9.5
The Throne 10--One of the best tracks I've heard.Sheer brilliance
Sacred Mind 10
Miracle Machine 8
Grand Parade 10
Doom 8 -Turned out to be quite good

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#64 Post by warchanter » 03 Feb 2015 15:35

After several more listenings, Gran Parade disclosed its beaty to me (did not fully appreciate it at the beginning) and Doom is really growing on me. It feels taken form "Somewhere far beyond".

I'd like to upgrade my vote for Doom to 8.5 (previously was eight)

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#65 Post by Light of Eärendil » 03 Feb 2015 18:28

Why is Ashes of Eternity rated so low? It's a great track!!

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#66 Post by dragonbees » 04 Feb 2015 02:41

The Ninth Wave : 10/10
Twilight of the Gods : 5/10
Prophecies : 10/10
At the Edge of Time : 6/10
Ashes of Eternity : 6/10
Distant Memories : 5/10
The Holy Grail : 9/10
The Throne : 6/10
Sacred Mind : 10/10
Miracle Machine : 7/10
Grand Parade : 6/10
Doom : 7/10

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#67 Post by blindgfan » 04 Feb 2015 05:31

dragonbees wrote:The Ninth Wave : 10/10
Twilight of the Gods : 5/10
Prophecies : 10/10
At the Edge of Time : 6/10
Ashes of Eternity : 6/10
Distant Memories : 5/10
The Holy Grail : 9/10
The Throne : 6/10
Sacred Mind : 10/10
Miracle Machine : 7/10
Grand Parade : 6/10
Doom : 7/10
What? Ninth Wave is better than Grand Parade???? I feel like I just jumped beyond the mirror!

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#68 Post by RandomName » 04 Feb 2015 08:09

dragonbees wrote:The Ninth Wave : 10/10
Twilight of the Gods : 5/10
Prophecies : 10/10
At the Edge of Time : 6/10
Ashes of Eternity : 6/10
Distant Memories : 5/10
The Holy Grail : 9/10
The Throne : 6/10
Sacred Mind : 10/10
Miracle Machine : 7/10
Grand Parade : 6/10
Doom : 7/10
Just out of curiosity - why rating The Throne so low?

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#69 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 04 Feb 2015 10:26

Current standing:
The Ninth Wave 8.3/10
Twilight Of The Gods 7.0/10
Prophecies 8.6/10
At The Edge Of Time 8.6/10
Ashes Of Eternity 6.9/10
Distant Memories 8.6/10
The Holy Grail 9.0/10
The Throne 9.2/10
Sacred Mind 8.6/10
Miracle Machine 8.0/10
Grand Parade 8.6/10
Doom 7.8/10


Wow, a 5-way tie for 3rd spot all with 8.6 rating... when looking at the numbers beyond the first decimal, it is clear that Sacred Mind is the winner here coming in at 8.648
Still an 8.3 on average
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#70 Post by Gorthaur » 04 Feb 2015 13:12

The Ninth Wave 8/10
Twilight Of The Gods 6/10
Prophecies 6.5/10
At The Edge Of Time 9/10
Ashes Of Eternity 6.5/10
Distant Memories 6.5/10
The Holy Grail 8/10
The Throne 8/10
Sacred Mind 8/10
Miracle Machine 7.5/10
Grand Parade 7.5/10
Doom 7.5/10

Compared to whole discography. As AttWS and WoT are the only 10s for me in their whole catalogue, this album comes pretty strong to me, on par with IftOS and AtEoT, behind NiME and ANatO.

Looking forward to hear some of these live, although I think they would rotate Ashes, Sacred, Prophecies, Grail and Throne due to their 'simplicity' to perform. Wave will be standard opener for sure.

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#71 Post by Master » 04 Feb 2015 13:35

The Ninth Wave 8.5/10
Twilight Of The Gods 7.75/10
Prophecies 8.25/10
At The Edge Of Time 9.5/10
Ashes Of Eternity 8.5/10
Distant Memories 8.25/10
The Holy Grail 8/10
The Throne 7.75/10
Sacred Mind 7.5/10
Miracle Machine 8.25/10
Grand Parade 9.25/10
Doom 7.75/10

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Re: Rating all that is beyond the red mirror

#72 Post by ragehu » 04 Feb 2015 21:42

I gave a 7 to Distant Memories - after some listenings it is minimum 8.5
I gave 8 to Doom - this song is a 9

:-)

I said the rates will change
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Doom has a really great and memorable, catchy refrain

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#73 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 05 Feb 2015 09:57

Current standing:
The Ninth Wave 8.3/10
Twilight Of The Gods 7.0/10
Prophecies 8.5/10
At The Edge Of Time 8.6/10
Ashes Of Eternity 6.9/10
Distant Memories 8.5/10
The Holy Grail 8.9/10
The Throne 9.1/10
Sacred Mind 8.6/10
Miracle Machine 8.0/10
Grand Parade 8.6/10
Doom 7.8/10


I too have adjusted my votes once more, lowering TOTG to a 6, and Doom to a 6.5 (starting to like doom less and less within the confines of this album) and raised The Throne to a 10
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#74 Post by Edain » 05 Feb 2015 10:42

I just can't accept the fact that "The Throne" keeps falling and even risks losing the pole position. Guys, listen to that chorus and tell me again that this isn't a straight ten. :P
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#75 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 05 Feb 2015 10:43

Edain wrote:I just can't accept the fact that "The Throne" keeps falling and even risks losing the pole position. Guys, listen to that chorus and tell me again that this isn't a straight ten. :P
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#76 Post by blindgfan » 05 Feb 2015 12:15

If Ninth Wave they didn't have that irritating slow, almost spoken part in the middle of each verse, it would have been a good 8:18 long song. And I would have given it 8.1

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#77 Post by priderock » 05 Feb 2015 12:29

It is straight ten.., just ATEOT(the song) is 20!!! Just kidding., both of them are the top 2 choruses of the album for me :)

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#78 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 05 Feb 2015 12:32

blindgfan wrote:If Ninth Wave they didn't have that irritating slow, almost spoken part in the middle of each verse, it would have been a good 8:18 long song. And I would have given it 8.1
how much are you giving it now? can't seem to find your votes (or maybe i'm turning too much into a guardian, and getting blind myself)
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#79 Post by OmegaSlayer » 05 Feb 2015 13:46

I want to lower the scores of each song except "The Throne" by 1 point.
Just kidding :mrgreen:
(Don't do it Gandalf :oops: )

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#80 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 05 Feb 2015 13:53

OmegaSlayer wrote:I want to lower the scores of each song except "The Throne" by 1 point.
Just kidding :mrgreen:
(Don't do it Gandalf :oops: )
i could also just raise The Throne by 1 ;)
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#81 Post by blindgfan » 05 Feb 2015 15:50

Gandalf de Grijze wrote:
blindgfan wrote:If Ninth Wave they didn't have that irritating slow, almost spoken part in the middle of each verse, it would have been a good 8:18 long song. And I would have given it 8.1
how much are you giving it now? can't seem to find your votes (or maybe i'm turning too much into a guardian, and getting blind myself)
6.5 probably

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#82 Post by priderock » 05 Feb 2015 17:07

blindgfan wrote:
Gandalf de Grijze wrote:
blindgfan wrote:If Ninth Wave they didn't have that irritating slow, almost spoken part in the middle of each verse, it would have been a good 8:18 long song. And I would have given it 8.1
how much are you giving it now? can't seem to find your votes (or maybe i'm turning too much into a guardian, and getting blind myself)
6.5 probably
Seriously? Why that low? I also didn't liked the song a lot at first(except the beginning, of course), but then it really grew in me... I feel like I'm on theatre every time I listen it! It's really interesting music piece :D

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#83 Post by blindgfan » 05 Feb 2015 17:48

priderock wrote:
Seriously? Why that low? I also didn't liked the song a lot at first(except the beginning, of course), but then it really grew in me... I feel like I'm on theatre every time I listen it! It's really interesting music piece :D
Because of those annoying parts in the middle. Also, because it has a pretty cool pre-chorus so that one would expect a bombastic chorus following that, but it comes out flat instead.

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#84 Post by priderock » 05 Feb 2015 18:11

blindgfan wrote:
priderock wrote:
Seriously? Why that low? I also didn't liked the song a lot at first(except the beginning, of course), but then it really grew in me... I feel like I'm on theatre every time I listen it! It's really interesting music piece :D
Because of those annoying parts in the middle. Also, because it has a pretty cool pre-chorus so that one would expect a bombastic chorus following that, but it comes out flat instead.
Maybe I agree just a little bit about the chorus, but I really found the beauty of the song the way it is.. I'm pretty sure that the band was supposed to made it other way, but that's the way they founded for its best, and I think that it really sounds great this way - it's more different, maybe unexpected and it's original for me). And that's the feeling they wanted..+ that we have 3 other very bombastic choruses
(ATEOT, TT and Grand Parade) so it's fine to me :)

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#85 Post by Feanor l'invincible » 05 Feb 2015 20:07

Doom 8/10

Amazing song! Reminds of Nightfall-era! + Evil acoustic melodies + a focus on bass lines :o
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#86 Post by loren » 06 Feb 2015 09:58

The Ninth Wave 7/10
Twilight Of The Gods 5/10
Prophecies 9/10
At The Edge Of Time 8/10
Ashes Of Eternity 9/10
Distant Memories 8/10
The Holy Grail 6/10
The Throne 6/10
Sacred Mind 8/10
Miracle Machine 9/10
Grand Parade 8/10

Overall 7.5/10

I must be the only one prefering Ashes Of Eternity to Holy Grail and voting Holy Grail so low!
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#87 Post by ErHaO » 06 Feb 2015 14:50

ErHaO wrote:Well, I don't :P (the Throne)

The Ninth Wave : 8/10
Twilight of the Gods : 7.5/10
Prophecies : 9.5/10
At the Edge of Time : 10/10
Ashes of Eternity : 8/10
Distant Memories : 7.5/10
The Holy Grail : 9.5/10
The Throne : 7.5/10
Sacred Mind : 8.5/10
Miracle Machine : 8/10
Grand Parade : 9/10
Doom ?/10 (reserved for future addition)

Not a single weak song here. 8/11 songs higher than 8 (great). I am almost finished with listening their entire discography back to back and predict this one ends at the top half of their discography for me (my lower half being IFTOS, ANATO, ATITM, BOF and FTB in that order). Each song is distinct and the album is very well balanced. The album is very energetic, melodic and at times heavy as a whole, which I like. Every performance is really great except for the drums, which are just solid for the most part (and maybe the bass, but I cannot say). This is not detrimental to the music for me personally, however, as there are plenty of other attention grabbers.
So here is my update (old list quoted):
The Ninth Wave : 8.5/10
Twilight of the Gods : 7/10
Prophecies : 9/10
At the Edge of Time : 10/10
Ashes of Eternity : 8/10
Distant Memories : 8/10
The Holy Grail : 9/10
The Throne : 8/10
Sacred Mind : 8/10
Miracle Machine : 8/10
Grand Parade : 9.5/10
Doom 7.5/10

Some lower, some higher. I think now is quite a safe bet I will not change my mind again (unless it is really, really long term) as I have listened to it many times by now. Maybe interpretations of the lyrics will mix things up but I doubt that (it usually never does unless cringeworthyly bad). Opener and official closer (GP) grew on me the most during the last few weeks. I still like Twilight but it does seem a tad out of place somehow (cheesy chorus, lack of buildup) and I stand by my comment about it's stuctural problems (overly "blunt")

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#88 Post by blindgfan » 06 Feb 2015 17:59

loren wrote:The Ninth Wave 7/10
Twilight Of The Gods 5/10
Prophecies 9/10
At The Edge Of Time 8/10
Ashes Of Eternity 9/10
Distant Memories 8/10
The Holy Grail 6/10
The Throne 6/10
Sacred Mind 8/10
Miracle Machine 9/10
Grand Parade 8/10

Overall 7.5/10

I must be the only one prefering Ashes Of Eternity to Holy Grail and voting Holy Grail so low!
I can understand that because Holy Grail is quite typical and chorus too simple. Also, AOE has a better chorus than that of Sacred Mind, which is lacking details and for some reason pops up right before the last verse.
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#89 Post by Infernal Lord » 06 Feb 2015 20:13

My ratings for Beyond the Red Mirror:

The Ninth Wave 7
Twilight Of The Gods 9
Prophecies 9.8 (the ONLY thing stopping this song getting a full 10 from me is the first 5-or-so seconds, which grates on me for some reason - otherwise I LOVE this track!)
At The Edge Of Time 6
Ashes Of Eternity 7
Distant Memories 7
The Holy Grail 8.5
The Throne 8.2
Sacred Mind 8
Miracle Machine 7
Grand Parade 7
Doom Still waiting for my Earbook to arrive...


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#90 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 07 Feb 2015 01:51

Current standing:
The Ninth Wave 8.2/10
Twilight Of The Gods 6.9/10
Prophecies 8.6/10
At The Edge Of Time 8.5/10
Ashes Of Eternity 7.0/10
Distant Memories 8.5/10
The Holy Grail 8.8/10
The Throne 9.0/10
Sacred Mind 8.5/10
Miracle Machine 8.0/10
Grand Parade 8.5/10
Doom 7.8/10



I believe this is the first time I am highlighting Prophecies, also interesting to see there is quite a leap between the two lowest (totg & aoe) and Doom.
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#91 Post by Led Guardian » 07 Feb 2015 06:55

One of these days I'm going to understand why everyone is so giddy over The Throne. I don't dislike it, but I haven't really heard what is so special in it yet. I like the chorus, but press me to recall any other melodies from it, and I'm not sure I could yet after 5 listens. I'm not totally sure if I remember the whole chorus melody, as opposed to some of the other songs where I knew at least the chorus melody after just one listen.
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Re: Rating all that is beyond the red mirror

#92 Post by Infernal Lord » 07 Feb 2015 09:40

Led Guardian wrote:One of these days I'm going to understand why everyone is so giddy over The Throne. I don't dislike it, but I haven't really heard what is so special in it yet. I like the chorus, but press me to recall any other melodies from it, and I'm not sure I could yet after 5 listens. I'm not totally sure if I remember the whole chorus melody, as opposed to some of the other songs where I knew at least the chorus melody after just one listen.
This.

I like the song too but compared to some on the album it's just not as strong. The solo is cool - actually, REALLY cool! - but I find the style of delivery of the lyrics annoying at times, particularly in the chorus when there's loads of lines being sung at once over the top of each other. I am by no means an expert but I can't help feeling it would be better if it had been done slightly differently...
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Re: Rating all that is beyond the red mirror

#93 Post by finrod » 07 Feb 2015 11:15

I've had enough time to get used to the album now, so I think I can finally decide on some ratings.

The Ninth Wave 7.5/10
Twilight of the Gods 7/10
Prophecies 10/10
At the Edge of Time 8/10
Ashes of Eternity 8/10
Distant Memories 9.5/10
The Holy Grail 9/10
The Throne 10/10
Sacred Mind 9.5/10
Miracle Machine 9/10
Grand Parade 8.5/10
Doom 8/10

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Re: Rating all that is beyond the red mirror

#94 Post by Infernal Lord » 07 Feb 2015 21:05

finrod wrote: Prophecies 10/10
Good shout! 8)
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Re: Rating all that is beyond the red mirror

#95 Post by finrod » 07 Feb 2015 23:10

Infernal Lord wrote:
finrod wrote: Prophecies 10/10
Good shout! 8)
:D I would probably only give it a 9.5 or something, but the ending, from "Don't be afraid..." onwards pushes it to a perfect score. It's my favourite part of any BG song.

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Re: Rating all that is beyond the red mirror

#96 Post by Infernal Lord » 07 Feb 2015 23:45

finrod wrote:
Infernal Lord wrote:
finrod wrote: Prophecies 10/10
Good shout! 8)
:D I would probably only give it a 9.5 or something, but the ending, from "Don't be afraid..." onwards pushes it to a perfect score. It's my favourite part of any BG song.
That is a SERIOUSLY cool part; I LOVE the chorus too. It's easily the best song on the album in my opinion. :)
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Re: Rating all that is beyond the red mirror

#97 Post by Led Guardian » 08 Feb 2015 05:11

I'm also curious why so many people dislike Ashes of Eternity so much. It's not the best on the album, but it seems a solid and pretty catchy song to me. Reasons?
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Re: Rating all that is beyond the red mirror

#98 Post by OmegaSlayer » 08 Feb 2015 08:17

Ashes Of Eternity - why it's bad - the post by opinionated OmegaSlayer :mrgreen:

Mostly the hate is about what the song could have been.

First of all, the whammy bar wankery at the beginning.
That's pretty bad because it doesn't fit the song and it's pèoorly executed.
BG are not Slayer, so taking a piece of song to do something that is not in your DNA, and to do it bad is...I'll use a very strong word, but it's insulting.
In don't expect André to play like Steve Vai, I don't expect him to blow my socks with technically face melting solo, I expect just him to do what he is good at.
Simply put, if you suck at it, please avoid it.
Honestly being put in a bad mood so early in the song doesn't help.
I think that especially for people who play an instrument that part is cringeworthy.
Put a nice lead there, a twin lead, or don't record the 6th guitar just 'cause.
This is an example of overdoing stuff, because "more" is not always "good"...André is walking on a really thin line.
It's the same as the lead in the beginning of Twilight, those are some notes slapped there that just cause, without much taste and at the end, your ear get focused on the bad lead which just draws attention from a good rhythm line.

Second, the pre-chorus
It's not bad per se, but again it doesn't fit the song much, it's too...Broadway Musical, it certainly builds a kind of climax but at the same time is weak in execution because it doesn't bite as it should, but still it builds a climax that leads to...

Third, the chorus
The chorus is a horrible piece of crap
It's the single worst piece of music BG have ever released on every account.
Again it doesn't fit the song and comes too much from the left field.
It hasn't a single reason of interest.
It's not catchy, it hasn't good lines, and Hansi sounds like an off-key drunk at Oktober Fest, which I can accept from Gerre from Tankard but not from Hansi.
When, in an album which takes 5 years to see the light and is thouroughly exceptionally written, I just feel a lot of lost connection to reality.

Fourth, the song is assembled with the ass
There are a lot of interesting sections in the song, very catchy, very climatic, and for example the intro riff is one of the best BG ever wrote.
Still all those sections are used for brief moment and BG keeps slapping your face repeating the worse riffs, vocal lines they wrote.

So, to end it, take Ashes, cut it to pieces, remove the unnecessary fat, slim it to 4 minutes, remove the chorus and the pre-chorus and change it with some other part of the song and you have a gem, probably even one of BG best song.
But as it is now, the song is a monument to BG willingness to over think their music to the point of butchering it.

Which is what scares me most about their future.

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Re: Rating all that is beyond the red mirror

#99 Post by Infernal Lord » 08 Feb 2015 11:59

Led Guardian wrote:I'm also curious why so many people dislike Ashes of Eternity so much. It's not the best on the album, but it seems a solid and pretty catchy song to me. Reasons?
It's a better track than 'At the Edge of Time' in my opinion, which is a bit of an alsoran song especially compared to 'Prophecies' from just before it.
Solid & catchy is a good way to describe it - 'Ashes of Eternity' - too. :)
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Re: Rating all that is beyond the red mirror

#100 Post by priderock » 08 Feb 2015 12:17

Infernal Lord wrote:
Led Guardian wrote:I'm also curious why so many people dislike Ashes of Eternity so much. It's not the best on the album, but it seems a solid and pretty catchy song to me. Reasons?
It's a better track than 'At the Edge of Time' in my opinion...
You're kidding, right??? :shock:
In my opinion At The Edge Of Time is still the best song on the album and the one making the biggest momentum on it!!! As for Ashes Of Eternety - I like it, but it's weakest one compared to the others...That's all for me, nothing more..

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