Blind Guardian's 10th Album, "Beyond the Red Mirror"

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#1351 Post by Andreas » 28 Jan 2015 18:20

PAGE BITCHES!

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#1352 Post by Andreas » 28 Jan 2015 18:27

And for all you Felipe Machado Franco haters out there: some extra stuff to bitch about. Today I remembered the cover of Portrait of a Dying Heart by Secret Sphere (whom Blind Guardian has stolen the opening riff of Punishment Divine from). Comparison (higher quality links at the bottom of this post):


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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#1353 Post by Edain » 28 Jan 2015 18:53

Damn, I hadn'realized Crow, Hare and Fox on the cover. They appear in Hansi's fable in Wait for an answer - but I can't remember any other songs with their appearance...?
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#1354 Post by ErHaO » 28 Jan 2015 19:25

Edain wrote:Damn, I hadn'realized Crow, Hare and Fox on the cover. They appear in Hansi's fable in Wait for an answer - but I can't remember any other songs with their appearance...?
On older songs I do not either. But on the new album they are at least on Ashes of Eternity. Example: "The Hare once betrayed me and so did the Fox and the Crow" (first line of the song).

I have no clue of the story as of yet though, I am waiting for lyrics for that. Some lines just stick in my head.

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#1355 Post by Dragonfly » 28 Jan 2015 19:57

Is that really the opening line? Looks like some sort of forest phantasy. :mrgreen: Just kidding.
Sounds awesome, it sets the mood for the rest of the song, some really fable-like stuff. Hansi never fails with his metaphors.
Looking forward to perusing the lyrics.
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#1356 Post by blindgfan » 28 Jan 2015 20:58

Has no one heard or at least read a review of Doom?

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#1357 Post by OmegaSlayer » 28 Jan 2015 21:43

Felipe Machado...

I'm particularly affectioned to Andreas Marschall, not only for BG cover, but for all his works from early 90s.
Still I think BG's best cover is the one of "Fly", that's a masterpiece to behold.
I think BG dropped Anthony Clarksson because many bands were using his work and shifted to Machado.
The guy is insanely skilled and has "vision" and "fantasy"...still...meh
Unlike ATEOT cover which I found...without a sense or connection to the record, I like BTRM cover, don't get me wrong, but it looks and mostly "feels" like too many others.

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#1358 Post by Dragonfly » 28 Jan 2015 22:39

Nobody will ever let you know
When you ask the reasons why,
They just tell you that you're on your own,
Fill your head all full of lies

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#1359 Post by OmegaSlayer » 28 Jan 2015 23:19

I had a link but scrap it as it was an interview for ATEOT.
Sorry but André had the same shirt LOL

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#1360 Post by warchanter » 29 Jan 2015 00:14

Dragonfly wrote:A nice new interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyxpGVlCyvU
Cool! So it appears that (Hansi's words) "Doom" from the Earbook is set after the events of Grand Parade, thus creating a sort of epilogue and bridge to a (possible) continuation of the story.

PS: I can't stop listening to Distant Memories!

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#1361 Post by nyobit » 29 Jan 2015 00:18

Andreas wrote:whom Blind Guardian has stolen the opening riff of Punishment Divine from
Which song?

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#1362 Post by ICBM » 29 Jan 2015 01:30

nyobit wrote:
Andreas wrote:whom Blind Guardian has stolen the opening riff of Punishment Divine from
Which song?
That album was released in 2012, so it was probably a joke about them stealing the Punishment Divine riff. I'm not sure though, because I never listened to this band.

In this interview Hansi mentions the song "Doom" as the lyrical successor to Grand Parade and confirms my prediction that the bonus tracks are really part of the album. Everyone that will not buy the earbook edition should download this track to understand the full concept story.

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#1363 Post by bestpike » 29 Jan 2015 01:53

Has anyone understood the story of the album? Or parts of it?
Now I'm riding through the air
Going to where no one dares
On the way I cross the line forevermore.
For once in life, I do not care
Nothing matters, now I dare
On the ride I'll cross the line
Forever to be free

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#1364 Post by ICBM » 29 Jan 2015 03:20

bestpike wrote:Has anyone understood the story of the album? Or parts of it?
Hansi has talked about it in many interviews so far. I don’t think it’s possible to understand more than what he’s said before we have the lyrics and liner notes (which may be much more extensive in the earbook version).

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#1365 Post by Rokubota » 29 Jan 2015 04:24

Hansi was in very good shape in this new album.

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#1366 Post by bestpike » 29 Jan 2015 09:52

Rokubota wrote:Hansi was in very good shape in this new album.
I was surprised by Ninth Wave 4:15-4:23, the way he says extermination. I've never heard him convey lyrics in that type of emotion before. Almost unrecognisable.
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#1367 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 29 Jan 2015 10:14

looks like I might be getting my earbook today!!!
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#1368 Post by Edain » 29 Jan 2015 11:07

I listened to the album only three times up to now (just to satisfy my curiosity) and still wait for the original to arrive to listen to it more. But that "determination"-part from the chorus of "The Throne" must be the pretty much most epic part they ever did, on par with And then there was Silence. Incredible, it's still stuck in my head.
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#1369 Post by Dragonfly » 29 Jan 2015 11:30

Looks like the lyrics are available.
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Bl ... ror/469657
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#1370 Post by Andreas » 29 Jan 2015 11:32

nyobit wrote:
Andreas wrote:whom Blind Guardian has stolen the opening riff of Punishment Divine from
Which song?
ICBM wrote:
nyobit wrote:
Andreas wrote:whom Blind Guardian has stolen the opening riff of Punishment Divine from
Which song?
That album was released in 2012, so it was probably a joke about them stealing the Punishment Divine riff. I'm not sure though, because I never listened to this band.
Not a joke, as it wasn't a song from that album, but from A Time Nevercome which dates from 2001. The only album of them I ever checked out, I like it so much that I don't want to try any other of their albums in case they suck :P

Anyway, the song is called Legend, here's a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzc6NcS_aJ0

I thought it was funny since Blind Guardian has never been much of a band that "steals" from other bands, and I sincerely doubt they ever heard that particular album. But it was released a year before ANATO, so :P

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#1371 Post by drummer88 » 29 Jan 2015 12:33

I've just read the interview in the newest issue of the german Rock Hard Magazin. Things that were interesting regarding some discussions here were:

1. They think the drumsound on the new album is the best they ever had
2. Andre said, that Frederik did his best job so far. He compared it with his drum performance on ATITM, were the drumming was way too technical and now it has more of a natural approach.
3. The drumarrangements were mostly done by Frederik himself.
4. Hansi said, that on their first experiments with orchestral sounds (A dark passage, ATTWS), the big problem was that the songparts were too much on one and the same level.

For me these statements really show, that they really lost touch with reality. Most People here are complaining on the drumsounds and drumarrangement, as well as on the fact, that in the longer songs, the different parts seem to be on a same Level, lacking an oustanding chorus (or a clear way of introducing the Chorus, which itself is then the clear anchor in the song).

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#1372 Post by OmegaSlayer » 29 Jan 2015 12:56

They're indeed out of touch with reality and why I say they should take back Thomen.
It's not only about the drums.

Read this, there's an interesting part about André recording And Then There Was Silence
http://www.milan-skoda.cz/blindguardian ... or_025.pdf

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#1373 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 29 Jan 2015 13:27

just got the digipack delivered with the mirror.... not going to open this one as the cd itself is for another friend, just bought this for the mirror... which is really cool, albeit a bit small, but I knew it would be small...
Should be receiving my super deluxe earbook + 10" vinyl somewhere this afternoon as well... looking forward to listening to doom and distant memories
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#1374 Post by Edain » 29 Jan 2015 13:40

I can partially relate to the opinions voiced in that interview - of course you take away some "power" when adding additional layers. You take away "power" in the sense that the song becomes less headbangable - but if the layer is a good one you add power to the emotional impact of a song. And then there was Silence is a wonderful example - live it's reduced, more rhytmical to please the headbanging audience, on the album there's tons of melodies to discover. And I like this approach - apparently André as well.

It's perfectly legitimate to wish for a more straightforward music on the album. But that's simply a matter of taste.

Of course, there are production issues which aren't a matter of taste but which just make the already complicated stuff even more muddy. But that's another discussion.
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#1375 Post by blindgfan » 29 Jan 2015 13:55

Dragonfly wrote:Looks like the lyrics are available.
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Bl ... ror/469657
Wow, ATEOF actually has a chorus! Lol

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#1376 Post by OmegaSlayer » 29 Jan 2015 14:24

Edain wrote:I can partially relate to the opinions voiced in that interview - of course you take away some "power" when adding additional layers. You take away "power" in the sense that the song becomes less headbangable - but if the layer is a good one you add power to the emotional impact of a song. And then there was Silence is a wonderful example - live it's reduced, more rhytmical to please the headbanging audience, on the album there's tons of melodies to discover. And I like this approach - apparently André as well.

It's perfectly legitimate to wish for a more straightforward music on the album. But that's simply a matter of taste.

Of course, there are production issues which aren't a matter of taste but which just make the already complicated stuff even more muddy. But that's another discussion.
I just think there's a balance in everything.
I want BG to do what they want to do, I expect them to do no less, but some stuff is stubbornly pointless imho.
Once you have 7 or 8 guitars you have A LOT already (you have 3 for rhythm divided on left/right chanel and a central, 2 leads, one acoustic, one classical, one electric clean and we're at 8).
17 is overkill, it's more than doubled and the musician side of me consider this "not efficient songwriting" if you get what I mean.

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#1377 Post by bard_92 » 29 Jan 2015 14:30

I don't look back!!!There's more in me!!!My hour shall come!!! :D :D 8)
It's like an even more AGRESSIVE side of Wheel Of Time! :o

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#1378 Post by bard_92 » 29 Jan 2015 14:49

At least, does someone know Doom's length ? :?

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#1379 Post by Dragonfly » 29 Jan 2015 14:59

bard_92 wrote:At least, does someone know Doom's length ? :?
Should be 5:51 according to Encyclopaedia Metallum.
I'm fairly sure it will leak soon.
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#1380 Post by bard_92 » 29 Jan 2015 15:01

Dragonfly wrote:
bard_92 wrote:At least, does someone know Doom's length ? :?
Should be 5:51 according to Encyclopaedia Metallum.
I'm fairly sure it will leak soon.
Thanks, I also hope so...otherwise I'll have to wait till next week for hearing it :/

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#1381 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 29 Jan 2015 15:08

I'll let yyou know when I get my copy, which should be on its way already
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#1382 Post by bard_92 » 29 Jan 2015 15:16

Oк, thanks! :D

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#1383 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 29 Jan 2015 15:58

the earbook states 5.48
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#1384 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 29 Jan 2015 16:02

HOLY CRAP THE EARBOOK LOOKS AMAZING!!!!
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#1385 Post by bard_92 » 29 Jan 2015 16:05

Gandalf de Grijze wrote:HOLY CRAP THE EARBOOK LOOKS AMAZING!!!!
AHHHrhrhr :x Don't blame, but I'm a little bit jealous right know... :D
And what more, please, tell us how the song sounds ??? :D

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#1386 Post by JazzJackrabbit » 29 Jan 2015 16:11

Gandalf de Grijze wrote:HOLY CRAP THE EARBOOK LOOKS AMAZING!!!!
Pics plz. :)

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#1387 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 29 Jan 2015 16:33

Doom sounds pretty old school to me, indeed it has marcus' semi-acoustic intro. Captures quite some of the feel of the SFB album without compromising on the modern feel that I like very much, has some interesting piano parts mixed in...
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#1388 Post by bard_92 » 29 Jan 2015 16:44

Ok, thanks a lot! Anyway, it will be interesting to be heard :)

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#1389 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 29 Jan 2015 17:22

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 681b82ca69

couple of quick shots, no time to adjust lighting to optimum ;)
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#1390 Post by OmegaSlayer » 29 Jan 2015 17:43

Thanks a lot man!
Is the earbook as big as an LP?

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#1391 Post by Dragonfly » 29 Jan 2015 17:44

Thanks for a little insight! What can you say about liner notes?
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#1392 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 29 Jan 2015 17:45

OmegaSlayer wrote:Thanks a lot man!
Is the earbook as big as an LP?
yes
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#1393 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 29 Jan 2015 17:59

Dragonfly wrote:Thanks for a little insight! What can you say about liner notes?
wouldn't call them linernotes in the strict sense.. they are really quite some bodies of text telling the story and they are both in english and german. Haven't read the story yet... but I will definately take my time this weekend to do so!
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#1394 Post by JazzJackrabbit » 29 Jan 2015 18:07

Gandalf de Grijze wrote:https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 681b82ca69

couple of quick shots, no time to adjust lighting to optimum ;)
Whoa, that frog on the Prophecies page is 100% not fucking around.

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#1395 Post by Warmoth » 29 Jan 2015 18:11

I've never seen an earbook before. This is exactly what I was hoping for.
It looks like a great deal of text. Awesome.

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#1396 Post by Blackened » 29 Jan 2015 18:19

Cd & Lp arrived :D ...still waiting for the Earbook.

I like how the concept is divided in 6 (Cd) & 8 (Lp) parts...

Now I'm in for the ride...haven't listened to the album, yet.
But now it's time...so excited...

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#1397 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 29 Jan 2015 18:29

The beginning of Doom, and several parts in the song do feel like they are outside the rest of the album, the chorus however fits perfectly in the album...
This song is a Post Scriptum in every sense...
Something along the lines of a "Oh btw, here we have a first part of the next story connected to this, guess that since it is finished we could give it along anyway"

Good song btw
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#1398 Post by ErHaO » 29 Jan 2015 18:34

Damn, that earbook looks ace!

I know certain people will not like the images, but I most certainly like these ones.

I still have to wait to get my hands on the earbook though (as I live on another adress than where I ordered it to :cry: ).

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#1399 Post by OmegaSlayer » 29 Jan 2015 18:39

Thanks Gandalf :)

From what I've seen from the scans of the digibook, the earbook has not much more, just the introduction to the earbook, as even the digibook has the explaination of the first wave, the second and so on, and the crow paragraph.
So guys, if you didn't order the earbook you don't miss very much.

My copies left Germany (ordered from EMP) for Italy today, I don't expect them before Monday, but in a luckshot it could arrive even tomorrow.

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#1400 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 29 Jan 2015 18:40

mine left from germany yesterday (to holland)
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