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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#651 Post by Twister » 28 Nov 2014 18:05

Finally!!!
Loving the song more and more, apart from the drums sound, which I still don't really like, everything sounds awesome!!!
Can't wait!!!

EDIT: I can't wait, but at least I got the page.
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#652 Post by Wizard's Crown » 28 Nov 2014 18:10

FUCK YEAH!!A STUDIO TRAILER!!FOR SOME REASON IM VERY HAPPY!!

EDIT: I read some the lyrics shown on trailer...and they are really dark...
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#653 Post by JazzJackrabbit » 28 Nov 2014 18:13

This plus the teaser for Star Wars Ep VII = good day

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#654 Post by Guardian'86 » 28 Nov 2014 18:20

Sounds good !! I like the new approach on this forthcoming album....I'm sure that "Twilight Of The Gods" will become a classic like "Valhalla", "Mirror mirror" like Hansi said and I totally agree with him....
Can't wait to hear the entire song between a week.....!!!

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#655 Post by Twister » 28 Nov 2014 18:25

JazzJackrabbit wrote:This plus the teaser for Star Wars Ep VII = good day
Ahahahah I was thinking just the same!
(More excited for the BG stuff, though!)
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Yeah, because we have a pretty sad song here, and you all seem so happy to me...!"

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#656 Post by blindgfan » 28 Nov 2014 18:34

JazzJackrabbit wrote:In The Studio Trailer!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDwANjCD-5Q

If it's the actually chorus it sounds very lame for their standards. I don't know why they called it one of the best.

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#657 Post by Light of Eärendil » 28 Nov 2014 18:40

JazzJackrabbit wrote:In The Studio Trailer!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDwANjCD-5Q
AWESOME!!! And sounds much better than the previous trailer!!

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#658 Post by crzgfx » 28 Nov 2014 19:33

And they're using 7-strings, just as I have said. 8)

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#659 Post by bestpike » 28 Nov 2014 19:44

blindgfan wrote:
JazzJackrabbit wrote:In The Studio Trailer!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDwANjCD-5Q

If it's the actually chorus it sounds very lame for their standards. I don't know why they called it one of the best.
That's what I think as well, but we could be wrong. It starts quite mediocrely but its ending needs to be heard also (something missing from both snippets we got), and also how it fits into the whole song.
Now I'm riding through the air
Going to where no one dares
On the way I cross the line forevermore.
For once in life, I do not care
Nothing matters, now I dare
On the ride I'll cross the line
Forever to be free

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#660 Post by JazzJackrabbit » 28 Nov 2014 19:59

I like the chorus but I do also agree we need to hear the song in its entirety.

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#661 Post by bard_92 » 28 Nov 2014 20:16

I also have some doubts about the chorus, but maybe we really have to listen it at all for judging it!
But I have to admit that this other part of it, which is revealed on the trailer, sounds even better, the choir sounds more AGRESSIVE :)
Btw, it's really amazing that they started again the studio trailers...probably something to look forward in the next 2 months :)

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#662 Post by Andreas » 28 Nov 2014 21:14

It's starting to click with me, I'm really curious to hear the whole song now. And as January 30 approaches, I'm also considering wasting some money on the earbook edition.

And that Maegi song sounded quite boring, I can't imagine how anyone could see that on the same level as BG/D&W ballads, let alone better.

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#663 Post by bard_92 » 28 Nov 2014 21:23

In the video Andre says that he would like to see how the fans will respond to the new stuff...so I just imagine what would be if all the fans are silent after they hear the song... :twisted: I still remember their silence for one whole year... Just cannot erase the pain I suffered at that time... :x :lol:

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#664 Post by Ryu » 29 Nov 2014 04:46

I'll say no more than that this second trailer has won me over. That riffing near the end is some of the fastest I've ever heard from them. Early/mid-nineties purists can quiet down hopefully..

Also, screengrabs of those lyrics would be great. We've never actually seen so intimately their songwriting/lyrical process. I love how incomplete/demo-y the lyrics are; seeing Hansi's setup, it's no surprise that he sometimes sings demo lyrics accidentally live. Each song must be three or four songs to him, lyrically.

I'm attempting not to listen to the new sample anymore. I want to forget the way it sounds so the single can be at least halfway all-new material.. so challenging.

Also, the drums in the first minute of the second trailer sound great, imo.
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#665 Post by wade-newb » 29 Nov 2014 09:30

The trailer has also won me over. I really love the way the chorus sounds like some of BG's older, upbeat sounding choruses, like in Nightfall. And in addition to that, even more excitingly in my mind, is the guitar-playing at the end!!! Speeeeed!!!
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#666 Post by bard_92 » 29 Nov 2014 09:51

Almost to forgot...6 days left :?

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#667 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 29 Nov 2014 14:47

This sample is great! Everything I've heard here just screams Blind Guardian to me! And I don't mind the more modern sound they were talking about either! One of the reasons I love BG is because they create music that is always ahead of their time.
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#668 Post by Guardian'86 » 29 Nov 2014 15:13

Blind Guardian have a brighter future yet ahead of them !!!! This album is gonna be Amazing!!! I'm sure they'll do other masterpieces in the future, I don't know how many but for sure we can expect big things from them !!! They discover with every album a new approach and firstly for this, the fact that they don't never repeat themselves, they are genials !!

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#669 Post by sciacallo010 » 29 Nov 2014 17:33

http://www.emp-online.co.uk/blind-guard ... rt_294938/

Things are slipping out of their hands, someone should stop Nuclear Blast.
Do they want to set a new record as of different editions released of the same album?

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#670 Post by crzgfx » 29 Nov 2014 18:24

Gandalf de Grijze wrote:This sample is great! Everything I've heard here just screams Blind Guardian to me! And I don't mind the more modern sound they were talking about either! One of the reasons I love BG is because they create music that is always ahead of their time.
As much as I love Blind Guardian, they're absolutely NOT ahead of their time. They are not innovating the subgenre Power Metal anymore, they make exceedingly well music. 7-strings and modern riffing is to be found in the music of Rage, Nevermore and Orden Ogan lately, so it's not entirely new and actually widely used.

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#671 Post by Dragonfly » 29 Nov 2014 19:14

Great trailer! I almost gave up hoping for new videos from the studio. So far I like the song but still wish it was heavier. Well, maybe the heaviest parts are yet to be revealed :). It's also great that there are more videos to come, hopefully with samples from other songs.
By the way, a new photo?

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#672 Post by Freak666 » 29 Nov 2014 21:27

Dragonfly wrote: By the way, a new photo?

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Dear Hansi and Fred,

the combination of a chemise + leatherjacket is a completly no-go.
I know you love black chemises, but next time just wear a shirt or hoody beneath the jacket.
Marcus looks great a usual. And I'm glad Andre is still wearing his Kokopelli-Pendant. As long he does, everything is save! ;)

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#673 Post by sciacallo010 » 29 Nov 2014 22:26

Freak666 wrote:Kokopelli-Pendant.
Thanks mate, I've been trying to remember the Kokopelli's name for months now, I even have a pendant myself! :D

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#674 Post by Dragonfly » 29 Nov 2014 22:28

Freak666 wrote:
Dragonfly wrote: By the way, a new photo?

Image
Dear Hansi and Fred,

the combination of a chemise + leatherjacket is a completly no-go.
I know you love black chemises, but next time just wear a shirt or hoody beneath the jacket.
Marcus looks great a usual. And I'm glad Andre is still wearing his Kokopelli-Pendant. As long he does, everything is save! ;)
I know so little about fashion and clothes and shit like that, but I want to say I think the guys look great the way they are in this picture. Black fits them so well.
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#675 Post by bard_92 » 30 Nov 2014 08:54

5 days left :wink:

Btw, here's the track lengths according to Google Play and Amazon:

1.The Ninth Wave - 9:29
2.Twilight Of The Gods - 4:51
3.Prophecies - 5:27
4.At The Edge Of Time - 6:55
5.Ashes Of Eternity - 5:41
6.Distant Memories - 5:53
7.The Holy Grail - 6:02
8.The Throne - 7:56
9.Sacred Mind - 6:25
10.Miracle Machine - 3:03
11.Grand Parade - 9:29

So, as it's written on Amazon, the total length is 1:11:11sec.
Maybe it's just accidentally, but it's an interesting fact !!! :)

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#676 Post by Rokubota » 30 Nov 2014 10:13

I didn't like it.

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#677 Post by ErHaO » 30 Nov 2014 16:50

Love the trailer. I think it sounds more like old BG than most songs of every album since Nightfall, in terms of songwriting. But again, it sounds distinct from everything they have done before in a way. Imaginations (and the albums before that) sounded organic and powerful, this sounds heavy and more bombastic. I like the mix way more than ANATO and ATITM, which have a very plastic sound to me (too much Hansi's and dubbing, and often a great emphasis on orchestral pieces whilst not applying orchestras). The drums sound very booming to me and have a very clear presence, so I like it. I am looking forward to hearing the orchestra's, as that is a very important element.

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#678 Post by blindgfan » 30 Nov 2014 21:21

bard_92 wrote:5 days left :wink:

Btw, here's the track lengths according to Google Play and Amazon:

1.The Ninth Wave - 9:29
2.Twilight Of The Gods - 4:51
3.Prophecies - 5:27
4.At The Edge Of Time - 6:55
5.Ashes Of Eternity - 5:41
6.Distant Memories - 5:53
7.The Holy Grail - 6:02
8.The Throne - 7:56
9.Sacred Mind - 6:25
10.Miracle Machine - 3:03
11.Grand Parade - 9:29

So, as it's written on Amazon, the total length is 1:11:11sec.
Maybe it's just accidentally, but it's an interesting fact !!! :)
Also, the the lengths of first and last track... I sense something spooky here )

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#679 Post by Ryu » 30 Nov 2014 21:26

Rokubota wrote:I didn't like it.
It is probably safe to say the BG you're looking for quietly exited the scene circa 1995. They're not going to return to the sound you're looking for, even though (as I recall) you mentioned wanting a brutal and violent sound.. the end of that trailer (not the Sacred clip) bordered on that, eh? Though this banks on how you define "brutal" and "violent". For me, though, the riffing was some of their most aggressive I've ever heard.

I'm a philistine in terms of piecing together "good" or "bad" production, btw. I know what people mean when they say ATITM was "plastic", ANATO was too "busy", and that ATEOT had technical flubs. I'm not really seeing the problem here in this regard and that may just be my own lack of education.

You suggest D&W is better dead, Jon Schaffer hasn't had an interesting riff since the nineties, and BG have lost it - well, that's grim. I have to wonder what you're trying to gain out of your forum experience (in this thread at least) at this point.

Your cynicism may not be misguided. It's an accurate sense of perspective in terms of your personal desires, just, you have to know nothing's going to please you quite like the first four or five albums did. Point being, yes, we know, you dislike it and will more than likely be disappointed with BTRM. I am just not keen on "old vs. new BG" being a theme of this thread, and that seems to be what you're touching on with each post you make, or some other varying pessimism.
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#680 Post by Dragonfly » 01 Dec 2014 02:05

Also we shouldn't forget about Japanese bonuses, I'm sure there will be some.
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#681 Post by Light of Eärendil » 01 Dec 2014 03:07

Does anyone know what colours will be used on the splatter vinyl edition?

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#682 Post by Rokubota » 01 Dec 2014 07:33

Ryu wrote:
Rokubota wrote:I didn't like it.
It is probably safe to say the BG you're looking for quietly exited the scene circa 1995. They're not going to return to the sound you're looking for, even though (as I recall) you mentioned wanting a brutal and violent sound.. the end of that trailer (not the Sacred clip) bordered on that, eh? Though this banks on how you define "brutal" and "violent". For me, though, the riffing was some of their most aggressive I've ever heard.

I'm a philistine in terms of piecing together "good" or "bad" production, btw. I know what people mean when they say ATITM was "plastic", ANATO was too "busy", and that ATEOT had technical flubs. I'm not really seeing the problem here in this regard and that may just be my own lack of education.

You suggest D&W is better dead, Jon Schaffer hasn't had an interesting riff since the nineties, and BG have lost it - well, that's grim. I have to wonder what you're trying to gain out of your forum experience (in this thread at least) at this point.

Your cynicism may not be misguided. It's an accurate sense of perspective in terms of your personal desires, just, you have to know nothing's going to please you quite like the first four or five albums did. Point being, yes, we know, you dislike it and will more than likely be disappointed with BTRM. I am just not keen on "old vs. new BG" being a theme of this thread, and that seems to be what you're touching on with each post you make, or some other varying pessimism.
This is not about old vs new BG, this is about music full of inspiration and feels vs uninspired music. I love NIME and had a huge respect for ANATO, one of my favourites songs is Punishment Divine and Wheel Of Time from ATEOT is IMO one of their best songs.

When Hansi is really inspired the Album has a lot of chance to be a great one, it flows without any effort through your ears but when he's struggling with the material that shows too. Even a genius songwriter like Sting can't make the iconic songs he was famous for.

At the end of the day it's about how much their music still connects with you in a personal level. I'm still a fan of this band but I can't go all crazy over it just because is a BG record. I will be more than happy if this album is an instant classic but I have low expectations at the moment.

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#683 Post by Angus » 01 Dec 2014 08:17

Rokubota wrote:I will be more than happy if this album is an instant classic but I have low expectations at the moment.
There's your problem: you have expectations. Never have expectations outside of yourself. Experience everything as it is with a blank state of mind without your experience being distorted by self-entitled notions of what they "should" be. The world is what it is and it isn't here to serve you.

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#684 Post by Wizard's Crown » 01 Dec 2014 10:16

4 days left...

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#685 Post by bard_92 » 01 Dec 2014 10:44

Wizard's Crown wrote:4 days left...
Yeah ! 8)

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#686 Post by Palantyre » 01 Dec 2014 11:57

Freak666 wrote: Dear Hansi and Fred,

the combination of a chemise + leatherjacket is a completly no-go.
I know you love black chemises, but next time just wear a shirt or hoody beneath the jacket.
Marcus looks great a usual. And I'm glad Andre is still wearing his Kokopelli-Pendant. As long he does, everything is save! ;)
I did a Google image search for "chemise" and, uh, I don't think that word means what you think it means. Good thing I did this at home and not at work.

I think Hansi would look pretty fetching in one of those things, though.
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#687 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 01 Dec 2014 13:24

Palantyre wrote:
Freak666 wrote: Dear Hansi and Fred,

the combination of a chemise + leatherjacket is a completly no-go.
I know you love black chemises, but next time just wear a shirt or hoody beneath the jacket.
Marcus looks great a usual. And I'm glad Andre is still wearing his Kokopelli-Pendant. As long he does, everything is save! ;)
I did a Google image search for "chemise" and, uh, I don't think that word means what you think it means. Good thing I did this at home and not at work.

I think Hansi would look pretty fetching in one of those things, though.
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#688 Post by ErHaO » 01 Dec 2014 14:31

Rokubota wrote:
Ryu wrote:
Rokubota wrote:I didn't like it.
It is probably safe to say the BG you're looking for quietly exited the scene circa 1995. They're not going to return to the sound you're looking for, even though (as I recall) you mentioned wanting a brutal and violent sound.. the end of that trailer (not the Sacred clip) bordered on that, eh? Though this banks on how you define "brutal" and "violent". For me, though, the riffing was some of their most aggressive I've ever heard.

I'm a philistine in terms of piecing together "good" or "bad" production, btw. I know what people mean when they say ATITM was "plastic", ANATO was too "busy", and that ATEOT had technical flubs. I'm not really seeing the problem here in this regard and that may just be my own lack of education.

You suggest D&W is better dead, Jon Schaffer hasn't had an interesting riff since the nineties, and BG have lost it - well, that's grim. I have to wonder what you're trying to gain out of your forum experience (in this thread at least) at this point.

Your cynicism may not be misguided. It's an accurate sense of perspective in terms of your personal desires, just, you have to know nothing's going to please you quite like the first four or five albums did. Point being, yes, we know, you dislike it and will more than likely be disappointed with BTRM. I am just not keen on "old vs. new BG" being a theme of this thread, and that seems to be what you're touching on with each post you make, or some other varying pessimism.
This is not about old vs new BG, this is about music full of inspiration and feels vs uninspired music. I love NIME and had a huge respect for ANATO, one of my favourites songs is Punishment Divine and Wheel Of Time from ATEOT is IMO one of their best songs.

When Hansi is really inspired the Album has a lot of chance to be a great one, it flows without any effort through your ears but when he's struggling with the material that shows too. Even a genius songwriter like Sting can't make the iconic songs he was famous for.

At the end of the day it's about how much their music still connects with you in a personal level. I'm still a fan of this band but I can't go all crazy over it just because is a BG record. I will be more than happy if this album is an instant classic but I have low expectations at the moment.
I'm not sure what you mean by struggling with the material to be honest. Sure, more of their modern songs may not connect with you, but is that really them struggling with their new material and/or the incapability of writing songs like their iconic ones? I do not think so. They are exploring new approaches to songwriting and incorporate new sounds, which keeps their material fresh. For every single band I can recall that maintain their early iconic sounds, people critique them for rehashing material or that they have become stagnant. Sometimes a band goes a bit far in this for my tastes (Sonata Arctica or Opeth, for example), but that really is my personal preference speaking.

I will not love a song or album for the sake of it being BG either. They just genuinely have not released anything as of yet that I do not like after FTB (save for a few passages in songs here and there troughout the years) and they never half-ass their material to have some more songs on the album (that is probably why the take so damn long). I am just as much a fan of some other bands, like Dream Theater, and they have released some stuff that I think are rubbish.

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#689 Post by JazzJackrabbit » 01 Dec 2014 20:53

I can't buy into the idea that the music they're making is "uninspired" especially how since NIME they've taken four years between each release. I think that alone shows how much they care about each album.

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#690 Post by Freak666 » 01 Dec 2014 22:34

Palantyre wrote:
Freak666 wrote: Dear Hansi and Fred,

the combination of a chemise + leatherjacket is a completly no-go.
I know you love black chemises, but next time just wear a shirt or hoody beneath the jacket.
Marcus looks great a usual. And I'm glad Andre is still wearing his Kokopelli-Pendant. As long he does, everything is save! ;)
I did a Google image search for "chemise" and, uh, I don't think that word means what you think it means. Good thing I did this at home and not at work.

I think Hansi would look pretty fetching in one of those things, though.
It's not my fault that this word has a double meaning in english language. ^^

See: https://www.google.de/search?q=chemise& ... 05&dpr=0.9

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#691 Post by Dragonfly » 02 Dec 2014 00:14

In the meantime in the album description on Nuclear Blast website there has appeared this review. In German...

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Gut Ding will bekanntlich Weile haben – im Falle von BLIND GUARDIAN sind dies knapp fünf Jahre, in denen die Krefelder an ihrem neuen Opus »XXX« geschmiedet haben. Doch die 70-minütige Zeitreise durch fremde Galaxien, Parallelwelten und neue Dimensionen hat es natürlich in sich. Das Gesamtwerk ist möglicherweise das härteste Output des Vierers, das immer öfter das Gaspedal bis zum Anschlag durchdrückt und durch elf komplexe, progressive Wahnsinnsnummern führt. Mit orchestralem Bombast, sakralen Chören und jeder Menge SciFi-Elementen sorgen die elf neuen Kreationen für reichlich Abwechslung und innovatives Können. 'The Ninth Wave' eröffnet den Reigen fulminant und geht in die pfeilschnelle Single-Auskopplung 'Twilight Of The Gods' über, dem das düster-opulente 'Prophecies' sowie das mystische 'At The Edge Of Time' folgen. Das majestätische 'Ashes Of Eternity' glänzt mit Thrash lastigen Riffs, ehe 'Distant Memories' mit 70er Jahre Prog-Rock-Charme überrascht. An ihre Frühwerke erinnert die Uptempo Granate 'Holy Grail', ehe die Astralreise über 'The Throne' hin zu dem doomig-sphärischen 'Sacred Mind' führt. Das Finale der Konzeptgeschichte läutet das vertrackte 'Miracle Machine' ein, ehe die 'Grand Parade' vor orchestraler Schönheit brilliert. Ein Götteralbum für die Ewigkeit!
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#692 Post by bard_92 » 02 Dec 2014 07:25

Dragonfly wrote:In the meantime in the album description on Nuclear Blast website there has appeared this review. In German...

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Gut Ding will bekanntlich Weile haben – im Falle von BLIND GUARDIAN sind dies knapp fünf Jahre, in denen die Krefelder an ihrem neuen Opus »XXX« geschmiedet haben. Doch die 70-minütige Zeitreise durch fremde Galaxien, Parallelwelten und neue Dimensionen hat es natürlich in sich. Das Gesamtwerk ist möglicherweise das härteste Output des Vierers, das immer öfter das Gaspedal bis zum Anschlag durchdrückt und durch elf komplexe, progressive Wahnsinnsnummern führt. Mit orchestralem Bombast, sakralen Chören und jeder Menge SciFi-Elementen sorgen die elf neuen Kreationen für reichlich Abwechslung und innovatives Können. 'The Ninth Wave' eröffnet den Reigen fulminant und geht in die pfeilschnelle Single-Auskopplung 'Twilight Of The Gods' über, dem das düster-opulente 'Prophecies' sowie das mystische 'At The Edge Of Time' folgen. Das majestätische 'Ashes Of Eternity' glänzt mit Thrash lastigen Riffs, ehe 'Distant Memories' mit 70er Jahre Prog-Rock-Charme überrascht. An ihre Frühwerke erinnert die Uptempo Granate 'Holy Grail', ehe die Astralreise über 'The Throne' hin zu dem doomig-sphärischen 'Sacred Mind' führt. Das Finale der Konzeptgeschichte läutet das vertrackte 'Miracle Machine' ein, ehe die 'Grand Parade' vor orchestraler Schönheit brilliert. Ein Götteralbum für die Ewigkeit!
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"A divine album for the ages..." I hope so!
I like that review, it bears everything I want from them - Bombast, orchestras, sacred choruses with big choirs, divine elements,astral elements, sacred emotions, progression, mystics and so on... :D :D :D :D :D

Btw, 3 days left :)

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#693 Post by Ryu » 02 Dec 2014 08:08

Rokubota wrote:
Ryu wrote:
Rokubota wrote:I didn't like it.
It is probably safe to say the BG you're looking for quietly exited the scene circa 1995. They're not going to return to the sound you're looking for, even though (as I recall) you mentioned wanting a brutal and violent sound.. the end of that trailer (not the Sacred clip) bordered on that, eh? Though this banks on how you define "brutal" and "violent". For me, though, the riffing was some of their most aggressive I've ever heard.

I'm a philistine in terms of piecing together "good" or "bad" production, btw. I know what people mean when they say ATITM was "plastic", ANATO was too "busy", and that ATEOT had technical flubs. I'm not really seeing the problem here in this regard and that may just be my own lack of education.

You suggest D&W is better dead, Jon Schaffer hasn't had an interesting riff since the nineties, and BG have lost it - well, that's grim. I have to wonder what you're trying to gain out of your forum experience (in this thread at least) at this point.

Your cynicism may not be misguided. It's an accurate sense of perspective in terms of your personal desires, just, you have to know nothing's going to please you quite like the first four or five albums did. Point being, yes, we know, you dislike it and will more than likely be disappointed with BTRM. I am just not keen on "old vs. new BG" being a theme of this thread, and that seems to be what you're touching on with each post you make, or some other varying pessimism.
This is not about old vs new BG, this is about music full of inspiration and feels vs uninspired music. I love NIME and had a huge respect for ANATO, one of my favourites songs is Punishment Divine and Wheel Of Time from ATEOT is IMO one of their best songs.

When Hansi is really inspired the Album has a lot of chance to be a great one, it flows without any effort through your ears but when he's struggling with the material that shows too. Even a genius songwriter like Sting can't make the iconic songs he was famous for.

At the end of the day it's about how much their music still connects with you in a personal level. I'm still a fan of this band but I can't go all crazy over it just because is a BG record. I will be more than happy if this album is an instant classic but I have low expectations at the moment.
Just as style and delivery change with the passage of time, so too will what inspires us, and how we translate that moving emotion. It's not for us to say what inspires Hansi or Andre or Marcus or Fred. They are such bright, eclectic types that I personally believe if they were not inspired, they would not be making music. Of course that seems a bit of a cop-out and probably some shameless fanboying, but to get in to the mire of a debate that is "what is inspiration, how can we detect it" is beyond the scope of this thread.

You may note that when they've recently described their new songs, they personally cite exactly what is moving them, what they're indulging in - the reviewers are prone to technical deconstruction, but the guys are always waxing about their inspirations or recent fascinations. So really it seems suspect to suggest a lack of inspiration. A change in delivery or their/your taste, maybe.. I mean, I could ask you, what makes Wheel of Time instantly memorable but not, say, Battlefield, Ride into Obsession? It's a bit like "how long is a piece of string". What is metal? What is music? What is art? What is wrong with this particular piece? As a non-musician it's hard for me to rationalize why songs such as those two are very important to me but they are not lacking in what I'd desire in a newer BG.

This is really an issue we aren't going to solve. You like Punishment Divine and Wheel of Time - I mean, A Voice in the Dark, Tanelorn, Ride into Obsession, And then there Was Silence, all of these border on sounding like those/retaining the "mood". And beyond that, you have the outliers - which, let's face it - each album has a handful of outliers. Pre-2000, however, the outliers were better-received. Consider a song like Noldor - a definite outlier in the general "sound" of NIME - you have a song on ATEOT which not only sounds a lot like a blatant nod in Noldor's direction, but is yet again an outlier (Road of No Release). I really feel that song is Noldor's spiritual successor with different subject matter. I mean, this just continues. The Soulforged is a more midtempo song but with one of their most memorable choruses, some of Thomen's most complex and intuitive drumwork, deeply inspired by an epic fantasy series... Not a nod in any direction (apart from the band's core thesis of being a "fantasy metal" band) but still boasting some of the finer traits of their discography. An outlier in many ways but fresh. You see my point.

Eh. If anything, the fact they're tackling a full-on concept album again should be a promising indicator for someone so interested in inspiration.
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#694 Post by Wizard's Crown » 02 Dec 2014 08:44

Dragonfly wrote:In the meantime in the album description on Nuclear Blast website there has appeared this review. In German...

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Gut Ding will bekanntlich Weile haben – im Falle von BLIND GUARDIAN sind dies knapp fünf Jahre, in denen die Krefelder an ihrem neuen Opus »XXX« geschmiedet haben. Doch die 70-minütige Zeitreise durch fremde Galaxien, Parallelwelten und neue Dimensionen hat es natürlich in sich. Das Gesamtwerk ist möglicherweise das härteste Output des Vierers, das immer öfter das Gaspedal bis zum Anschlag durchdrückt und durch elf komplexe, progressive Wahnsinnsnummern führt. Mit orchestralem Bombast, sakralen Chören und jeder Menge SciFi-Elementen sorgen die elf neuen Kreationen für reichlich Abwechslung und innovatives Können. 'The Ninth Wave' eröffnet den Reigen fulminant und geht in die pfeilschnelle Single-Auskopplung 'Twilight Of The Gods' über, dem das düster-opulente 'Prophecies' sowie das mystische 'At The Edge Of Time' folgen. Das majestätische 'Ashes Of Eternity' glänzt mit Thrash lastigen Riffs, ehe 'Distant Memories' mit 70er Jahre Prog-Rock-Charme überrascht. An ihre Frühwerke erinnert die Uptempo Granate 'Holy Grail', ehe die Astralreise über 'The Throne' hin zu dem doomig-sphärischen 'Sacred Mind' führt. Das Finale der Konzeptgeschichte läutet das vertrackte 'Miracle Machine' ein, ehe die 'Grand Parade' vor orchestraler Schönheit brilliert. Ein Götteralbum für die Ewigkeit!
Leopold Lukas

"A divine album for the ages..." I hope so!
It's a pleasing review -you cant disagree with that - but I dont know if it is objective as it was posted by Nuclear Blast..anyway in both reviews that I've read they re talking about this sci-fi element which is something new for the band and it will be interesting to hear

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#695 Post by Dragonfly » 02 Dec 2014 15:37

Wizard's Crown wrote:
Dragonfly wrote:In the meantime in the album description on Nuclear Blast website there has appeared this review. In German...

Review
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Gut Ding will bekanntlich Weile haben – im Falle von BLIND GUARDIAN sind dies knapp fünf Jahre, in denen die Krefelder an ihrem neuen Opus »XXX« geschmiedet haben. Doch die 70-minütige Zeitreise durch fremde Galaxien, Parallelwelten und neue Dimensionen hat es natürlich in sich. Das Gesamtwerk ist möglicherweise das härteste Output des Vierers, das immer öfter das Gaspedal bis zum Anschlag durchdrückt und durch elf komplexe, progressive Wahnsinnsnummern führt. Mit orchestralem Bombast, sakralen Chören und jeder Menge SciFi-Elementen sorgen die elf neuen Kreationen für reichlich Abwechslung und innovatives Können. 'The Ninth Wave' eröffnet den Reigen fulminant und geht in die pfeilschnelle Single-Auskopplung 'Twilight Of The Gods' über, dem das düster-opulente 'Prophecies' sowie das mystische 'At The Edge Of Time' folgen. Das majestätische 'Ashes Of Eternity' glänzt mit Thrash lastigen Riffs, ehe 'Distant Memories' mit 70er Jahre Prog-Rock-Charme überrascht. An ihre Frühwerke erinnert die Uptempo Granate 'Holy Grail', ehe die Astralreise über 'The Throne' hin zu dem doomig-sphärischen 'Sacred Mind' führt. Das Finale der Konzeptgeschichte läutet das vertrackte 'Miracle Machine' ein, ehe die 'Grand Parade' vor orchestraler Schönheit brilliert. Ein Götteralbum für die Ewigkeit!
Leopold Lukas

"A divine album for the ages..." I hope so!
It's a pleasing review -you cant disagree with that - but I dont know if it is objective as it was posted by Nuclear Blast..anyway in both reviews that I've read they re talking about this sci-fi element which is something new for the band and it will be interesting to hear
You may be right about its lack of objectivity but it's all what we have so far :wink:.
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#696 Post by bard_92 » 03 Dec 2014 06:52

Just two days left! :o

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#697 Post by Feanor l'invincible » 03 Dec 2014 10:02

Just announced on FB to wait for "something special" this friday.
Isn't too soon for samples of all songs? :o
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#698 Post by bard_92 » 03 Dec 2014 10:17

Feanor l'invincible wrote:Just announced on FB to wait for "something special" this friday.
Isn't too soon for samples of all songs? :o

Exactly my thoughts...but maybe we'll get a second single...who knows :)

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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#699 Post by Dragonfly » 03 Dec 2014 11:03

bard_92 wrote:
Feanor l'invincible wrote:Just announced on FB to wait for "something special" this friday.
Isn't too soon for samples of all songs? :o

Exactly my thoughts...but maybe we'll get a second single...who knows :)
I personally don't think there will be a second single before the album... hmm. I'd be glad to get another video from the studio!
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Re: Blind Guardian LP10

#700 Post by ErHaO » 03 Dec 2014 11:39

Probably another version of the album :P

To be serious, I either think new samples or another trailer. The previous trailer said part 1 so I'm fully expecting new ones to come (would be really cool if they made a trailer for each song and release one every week till release, but I am not expecting that).

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