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#1 Post by Traveller in Time » 21 Mar 2012 19:21

The Guardian/Monk has left for a moment the Guardians realm and poses fopr some other band, and guess what he even took the Somwehere far beyond (or is it the Memories of a time to come) modern-circle-fire-thing with him.

Pertinent references to get him are highly welcomed! :lol:

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#2 Post by Orodaran » 21 Mar 2012 19:25

If Machado made the cover, he's a damn lazy ass.
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#3 Post by Traveller in Time » 21 Mar 2012 19:45

He did ;)
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#4 Post by Orodaran » 21 Mar 2012 20:38

I understand the use of stock figures, but DAMN.... he JUST did a cover art for BLIND FRIGGIN' GUARDIAN, not exactly an underground band.... what went through his mind?? "I'll just use the central theme of a very minor and small band I just worked for, obviously NOBODY will ever notice it"?!?!??!!? meh.

And he's not even the only one to do so, even Hugh Syme for the latest Dream Theater album used a stock figure of a clown.

Suggestion to Blind Guardian and everyone else: next time you need a cover art do a selection online and pick ultimely a fan to do the art. It will cost less, and the result will be better.
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#6 Post by Orodaran » 21 Mar 2012 21:33

There's a scientific explanation for that; that kind of contrast is the one that is most eye-catching for whatever reason so everyone uses the shit ouf of it, check this out for example:

http://i.imgur.com/eTDM4.jpg
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#7 Post by OppaBlaubaer » 21 Mar 2012 21:45

Oh yes, I see... and I have seen your example before, but in my opinion, Machado uses this contrast in a very.. boring way

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#8 Post by T3hOverlord » 21 Mar 2012 22:32

its ok, cause Pathfinder kicks ass

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#9 Post by brazilian_bard » 21 Mar 2012 23:21

OppaBlaubaer wrote:Yea, I also really don't like Machado's cover arts... I mean, compare these:
http://www.whiskey-soda.de/forum/files/ ... ls_126.jpg
and
http://img11.nnm.ru/2/1/7/0/0/c33141d70 ... bd9baa.jpg
AND OF COURSE
http://sirdoomsbadcompany.files.wordpre ... -cover.jpg
:shock:

At least MoAtTc cover is more detailed.

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#10 Post by Traveller in Time » 21 Mar 2012 23:49

I think he prefers monks, blizzards and rounded objects:

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#11 Post by Avelar » 22 Mar 2012 13:04

Orodaran wrote:Suggestion to Blind Guardian and everyone else: next time you need a cover art do a selection online and pick ultimely a fan to do the art. It will cost less, and the result will be better.
Good idea :!: It will be better.
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#12 Post by blind-man » 23 Mar 2012 13:04

Seriously, what is it about this guy's work that appeals so much to metal bands? It's all basically the same boring, orange and blue, uninspired shit.

I'm with Orodaran on this. Blind Guardian would easily find much, much better art to use on their covers if they just asked their fans. Hell, I bet a lot of fans would do it for free.
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#13 Post by Orodaran » 23 Mar 2012 16:56

blind-man wrote:Seriously, what is it about this guy's work that appeals so much to metal bands?
I guess it's mainly that nobody (bands or record companies) give a shit about cover arts anymore.... they just need to have something that conveys the idea of the product they want to sell, and that's it; evidently other things have become more important (and well, some of them actually they are - like the music itself, organizing the tours and stuff), and cover arts have become an afterthought.

I guess everyone forgot the lesson Eddie taught in the '90s....
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#14 Post by wade-newb » 23 Mar 2012 18:12

We must organise a revolt :P Notify ALL artistic BG fans, tell them to make concept album artworks, and send them in, offering their services for the next album cover. When they see how much better they are than Machado's, they'll have no choice but to change over! :mrgreen:
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#15 Post by Palantyre » 23 Mar 2012 21:35

Well, all that stuff posted above is still better than the old "Meh, let's just pick a random Luis Royo painting for the cover" trick. Because THAT shit was lazy.
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#16 Post by T3hOverlord » 23 Mar 2012 23:23

The power quest dude looks like the wheel of time dude from inside the AtEoT booklet

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#17 Post by Orodaran » 24 Mar 2012 14:04

Palantyre wrote:Well, all that stuff posted above is still better than the old "Meh, let's just pick a random Luis Royo painting for the cover" trick. Because THAT shit was lazy.
Ehehe, you're right, but also stuff like this is lazy:

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Hugh Syme is one of the most famous cover art designers, and he made a cover for Dream Theater - like them or not, you have to admit that they're the leading band in the progressive metal genre. When one of the most famous artists cannot be bothered than do anything better than using a stock image for a worldwide known and commercially important band, you know that the industry simply doesn't give a damn shit about cover arts anymore.

Felipe Machado's cover are not bad per se, for example he did the cover art for Rage's latest album, 21, and that is quite good; it's just that he seems to know only one trick and repeat it over and over and over and over again, this is what annoys me.
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#18 Post by Traveller in Time » 24 Mar 2012 22:09

That's how it should be done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMnAglGPXkw
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#19 Post by residentour » 26 Mar 2012 22:29

Machado's cover arts have cold color (blue) layout and warm ( red/orange) objects. That technic attracts attention to the warm area and is an easy trick.
But the main reason bands and record companies prefer that kind of digital over contrast images is because they look more vivid, sharp at low cost LCDs of mp3 player/smartphones/tablets. :wink:

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#20 Post by Traveller in Time » 27 Mar 2012 20:56

It's because orange is easiest colour for eye's receptors while blue is the most difficult to adjust to, so the eye automatically focuses the orange objects...

orange is less blending, so it is used for the flash of speed control devices
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#21 Post by Little Dragon » 05 Apr 2012 13:13

blind-man wrote:Hell, I bet a lot of fans would do it for free.
And then i have to kill them. Regardless of how good or bad the illustration is. Reading shit like this makes me angry!
Traveller in Time wrote: orange is less blending, so it is used for the flash of speed control devices
did you mean: infrared?
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#22 Post by brazilian_bard » 05 Apr 2012 15:59

They should make a deal with this artist :mrgreen:

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#23 Post by Traveller in Time » 05 Apr 2012 17:10

Traveller in Time wrote: orange is less blending, so it is used for the flash of speed control devices
Little Dragon wrote:did you mean: infrared?
No, infrared is invisible for human's eyes, so it wouldn't enlight pictures
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#24 Post by Little Dragon » 09 Apr 2012 23:03

Traveller in Time wrote:
Traveller in Time wrote: orange is less blending, so it is used for the flash of speed control devices
Little Dragon wrote:did you mean: infrared?
No, infrared is invisible for human's eyes, so it wouldn't enlight pictures
Now you made laugh out loud really hard! That's a very good joke! :lol: You must be trollling right now, one can't be this stupid! :mrgreen:
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#25 Post by Traveller in Time » 09 Apr 2012 23:16

Which fact made you laugh?
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#26 Post by Little Dragon » 09 Apr 2012 23:21

It is true that infrared light is invisible to the human eye, but the rest of that sentence is just plain nonsense!
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#27 Post by Traveller in Time » 09 Apr 2012 23:36

Little Dragon wrote:It is true that infrared light is invisible to the human eye, but the rest of that sentence is just plain nonsense!
i wrote you a PN because it's far to off-topic now ;)
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#28 Post by Little Dragon » 09 Apr 2012 23:55

too with double o.

and i don't care if it's offtopic or not. hell, at least someone writes here!
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And I find it kind of funny
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#29 Post by Traveller in Time » 10 Apr 2012 00:14

Little Dragon wrote:too with double o.

and i don't care if it's offtopic or not. hell, at least someone writes here!
just a typo, but thanks for correcting me :roll:
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#30 Post by T3hOverlord » 10 Apr 2012 02:13

Little Dragon wrote:too with double o.

and i don't care if it's offtopic or not. hell, at least someone writes here!
"And" with a capital A.

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#31 Post by Dentarthurdent » 10 Apr 2012 09:33

And I don't care what's happening to the boy!
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#32 Post by Little Dragon » 10 Apr 2012 13:35

T3hOverlord wrote:
Little Dragon wrote:too with double o.

and i don't care if it's offtopic or not. hell, at least someone writes here!
"And" with a capital A.
in that case it's also "Too" with a capital T. and "Hell" with a capital H.

besides i just wanted to help with that comment, since he states in his sig that he is not that good in english. :roll:
Dentarthurdent wrote:And I don't care what's happening to the boy!
and now i am just curious to which boy you are referring?
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#33 Post by wade-newb » 10 Apr 2012 15:48

It's a Blind Guardian lyric I'm sure. From SFB.
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#34 Post by Little Dragon » 10 Apr 2012 15:51

still there must be a reason, why it came to his mind. and for that i am curious!
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#35 Post by Traveller in Time » 10 Apr 2012 16:42

I guess he means Felipe Marchado. About whom we were talking in the beginning.
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#36 Post by blind-man » 11 Apr 2012 13:43

Little Dragon wrote:
blind-man wrote:Hell, I bet a lot of fans would do it for free.
And then i have to kill them. Regardless of how good or bad the illustration is. Reading shit like this makes me angry!
An artist should be able to do whatever he wants with his work, including giving it away or licensing it for free. Why would that make you angry?
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#37 Post by Dentarthurdent » 11 Apr 2012 20:10

Little Dragon wrote:still there must be a reason, why it came to his mind. and for that i am curious!
Just came into my mind when I read "and I don't care if it's offtopic..."^^
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#38 Post by wade-newb » 11 Apr 2012 22:53

Dentarthurdent wrote:
Little Dragon wrote:still there must be a reason, why it came to his mind. and for that i am curious!
Just came into my mind when I read "and I don't care if it's offtopic..."^^
What song is it from again? I know exactly how that snippet sounds, but I can't seem to place it >_<
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#39 Post by Dentarthurdent » 12 Apr 2012 01:36

Should be SfB itself... let me check the booklet.

Yep, confirmed.
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#40 Post by Daggor » 12 Apr 2012 16:14

Just reminds me how lucky Stratovarius is to have some crazed hungarian genius doing their cover work.

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#41 Post by Thoreg » 12 Apr 2012 21:48

Daggor wrote:Just reminds me how lucky Stratovarius is to have some crazed hungarian genius doing their cover work.
Yep, he's called Gyula Havancsák, you can check his works on his website:
http://www.hjules.com

I'm not sure if his style would fit BG, maybe it's more straighforward, but as you mentioned he's a really talented painter, so a collaboration with the band could result something great.

About the topic, I think metal genre covers are still important as we still buy albums, and especially for bands like BG which deal with fantasy related topics the impression given by the cover is even more important because it has a great impact on the listener's imagination.
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#42 Post by bard_92 » 12 Apr 2012 22:23

Thoreg wrote:
Daggor wrote: About the topic, I think metal genre covers are still important as we still buy albums, and especially for bands like BG which deal with fantasy related topics the impression given by the cover is even more important because it has a great impact on the listener's imagination.
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#43 Post by Dentarthurdent » 13 Apr 2012 19:21

That's not how the companies see it, unfortunately.
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#44 Post by T3hOverlord » 15 Apr 2012 07:46

Mainly for me, whatever main color the album cover is, I usually associate the music with that color. Albums with darker colors I usually listen to at nighttime, and brighter colors usually during daytime. Mainly white albums I usually listen to more so during the winter time etc. Its weird I know.

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#45 Post by wade-newb » 15 Apr 2012 19:22

T3hOverlord wrote:Mainly for me, whatever main color the album cover is, I usually associate the music with that color. Albums with darker colors I usually listen to at nighttime, and brighter colors usually during daytime. Mainly white albums I usually listen to more so during the winter time etc. Its weird I know.
No, not really. The predominant colours affect me a lot too. Maybe even everyone. My enjoyment of Sacred Worlds was lessened significantly when the album was released. Before that bright bright blue and gold, I associated the song more with the green fields of the game Sacred 2, but now it's just very overwhelming. Every song off of ATEOT becomes so much better when I allow them to form their own colours and images in my mind rather than thinking about the album art.

Like The Edge off of ATITM. Imagining it as the green of the album cover makes it kind of boring. But as a dark dark blue/silver... which I really think should've been the colour scheme of the album, it becomes epic.
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#46 Post by T3hOverlord » 16 Apr 2012 04:54

wade-newb wrote:
T3hOverlord wrote:Mainly for me, whatever main color the album cover is, I usually associate the music with that color. Albums with darker colors I usually listen to at nighttime, and brighter colors usually during daytime. Mainly white albums I usually listen to more so during the winter time etc. Its weird I know.
No, not really. The predominant colours affect me a lot too. Maybe even everyone. My enjoyment of Sacred Worlds was lessened significantly when the album was released. Before that bright bright blue and gold, I associated the song more with the green fields of the game Sacred 2, but now it's just very overwhelming. Every song off of ATEOT becomes so much better when I allow them to form their own colours and images in my mind rather than thinking about the album art.

Like The Edge off of ATITM. Imagining it as the green of the album cover makes it kind of boring. But as a dark dark blue/silver... which I really think should've been the colour scheme of the album, it becomes epic.

What you said about Sacred Worlds was exactly what I felt. I have since reverted back to associating it with green and brown though, which somehow makes the song better haha. The blue and gold seems kind of cold

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Re: Guardian's Guardian/Monk on a unfaithful (cover artwork)

#47 Post by wade-newb » 16 Apr 2012 18:24

T3hOverlord wrote:
wade-newb wrote:
T3hOverlord wrote:Mainly for me, whatever main color the album cover is, I usually associate the music with that color. Albums with darker colors I usually listen to at nighttime, and brighter colors usually during daytime. Mainly white albums I usually listen to more so during the winter time etc. Its weird I know.
No, not really. The predominant colours affect me a lot too. Maybe even everyone. My enjoyment of Sacred Worlds was lessened significantly when the album was released. Before that bright bright blue and gold, I associated the song more with the green fields of the game Sacred 2, but now it's just very overwhelming. Every song off of ATEOT becomes so much better when I allow them to form their own colours and images in my mind rather than thinking about the album art.

Like The Edge off of ATITM. Imagining it as the green of the album cover makes it kind of boring. But as a dark dark blue/silver... which I really think should've been the colour scheme of the album, it becomes epic.

What you said about Sacred Worlds was exactly what I felt. I have since reverted back to associating it with green and brown though, which somehow makes the song better haha. The blue and gold seems kind of cold
Exactly! And that cold feeling would work with a song like A Past and Future Secret or Harvest of Sorrow, but Sacred Worlds is massive, and powerful.
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Re: Guardian's Guardian/Monk on a unfaithful (cover artwork)

#48 Post by T3hOverlord » 16 Apr 2012 23:24

wow I didnt know anyone else actually thought like that besides me haha, kinda cool

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Re: Guardian's Guardian/Monk on a unfaithful (cover artwork)

#49 Post by Traveller in Time » 16 Apr 2012 23:56

synaesthetic?
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Re: Guardian's Guardian/Monk on a unfaithful (cover artwork)

#50 Post by T3hOverlord » 17 Apr 2012 23:09

I dont think im synaesthetic just because I associate songs with the colors of their albums. I think most of us associate the songs off of A Night At The Opera heavily with the color red. For me personally, I would probably be able to go back and fall in love with the tracks all over again if they re-released ANATO with a different colored album cover. (or maybe thats just me lol)

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