Man, I had no idea IFTOS was so heavy!

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Man, I had no idea IFTOS was so heavy!

#1 Post by thrashinbatman » 27 Nov 2010 18:57

So, I picked up IFTOS as an early Christmas gift yesterday, and while listening to it in the car, I noticed how heavy this thing is. I mean, yeah, we have the soft acoustic tracks, but the songs that aren't tend to be really heavy. I mean, I'm Alive, for example. That is seriously one of the most pissed off songs I've ever heard, it puts most of the death metal and thrash I've heard to shame. Hansi sounds like he's about to rip someone's throat straight out, and of course, Thomen beating his drums like they owe him money contributes as well. Born in a Mourning Hall and Another Holy War are similar to this, but damn, I'm Alive is just a great song. Anyone else agree?

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#2 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 27 Nov 2010 19:00

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#3 Post by Avelar » 27 Nov 2010 23:01

Do I agree that I'm Alive is a great song? Yes, I do :wink: Although my fav IFTOS song is The Script For My Requiem.
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#4 Post by Bender B. Rodriguez » 28 Nov 2010 00:09

that is my fave album by BG.all those heavy as fuck guitars combined with Hansi's voice and the bombastic chorus lines are amazing.The only song i don't like too much is "and the story ends".
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#5 Post by Mitchgo » 28 Nov 2010 00:46

I'm Alive is not only my favorite BG tune, but it and the album are my gateway Guardian songs...it was my first BG album in 2005 when i first discovered them. Midway through I'm Alive i became a BG fan...something about the pre-chorus "caught in an old cage" vocals just blew my mind.

Would love to have heard it at the Worcester show, though Bright Eyes was a nice consolation.

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#6 Post by Orodaran » 28 Nov 2010 00:50

Hehe, I must have thought stuff like this when I heard for the first times those songs in 1997 or 1998. Damn I feel old now.
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#7 Post by Energokinetic » 28 Nov 2010 09:21

Yup, I'm alive is an awesome song, happens to be my favorite from their whole discography :D

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#8 Post by Daggor » 28 Nov 2010 10:35

o.0 what did you think it was?

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#9 Post by wade-newb » 28 Nov 2010 10:53

Born In A Mourning Hall was my first ever Blind Guardian song. I bought IFTOS randomly because I wanted new music... And that intro riff/melody just blew my mind! BG fan ever since.
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#10 Post by t.a.j. » 28 Nov 2010 11:48

It's heavy, yeah. But to compare it with, say, Suffocation, seems something of a far stretch to be honest.
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#11 Post by thrashinbatman » 28 Nov 2010 21:12

t.a.j. wrote:It's heavy, yeah. But to compare it with, say, Suffocation, seems something of a far stretch to be honest.
Suffocation is heavy, indeed. I wasn't really comparing it with Suffocation, I don't listen to them. That type of death metal is heavier than this, but I'm not sure how to explain what I'm trying to say. THe only way I can think of is that the album feels, I don't know, more genuine in it's heaviness? I'm not sure.

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#12 Post by Drex » 29 Nov 2010 15:43

I think 'aggressive' would be a better word to describe it.

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#13 Post by Edain » 29 Nov 2010 17:19

Suffocation isn't heavy, it's loud. Highly technical noise. Heaviness is more than just hitting the snaredrum 200 times a minute or playing dissonant chords all the time - heavines grows in your mind. I'd call I'm Alive twice as heavy as Abomination reborn.
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#14 Post by Led Guardian » 29 Nov 2010 17:34

I'd say silly is more like it. I listened to the first minute of Abomination Reborn, and it literally made me laugh. :lol:
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#15 Post by thrashinbatman » 29 Nov 2010 18:48

Yeah, I'd say aggressive is the term for it. That's the thing with bands like Suffocation and such; The music may be decent, but a lot of times it's just brutal, it isn't aggressive. It leaves the music sounding kind of dull, I guess. Songs like I'm Alive or Born in a Mourning Hall have that aggressiveness, which makes it feel more heavy than just heavy. That's my take on it.

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#16 Post by sharpened_graphite » 29 Nov 2010 20:18

Pretty much my feelings about the heavy songs on IFTOS as well. And they manage to make them complex and melodic at the same time, which is something few other bands can do. 8)

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#17 Post by t.a.j. » 29 Nov 2010 20:30

Maybe you'll find sludge stuff heavier? But to stay within the genre: Any Sympthony X is ten times heavier than IFTOS.
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#18 Post by Drex » 30 Nov 2010 16:16

I'm sure there are plenty of Metallica haters here, but when I think heavy, a song like The Thing That Should Not Be comes to mind.

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#19 Post by Dragon Guardian » 01 Dec 2010 17:39

I was also blown away by how heavy this was when I first heard, especially considering I'd just got off SFB, which had it's fair share of heaviness and even might be faster than IFTOS, but was nowhere near as heavy.
Aggressiveness isn't a factor of speed alone, but also overall heaviness and vocal delivery, for example RIO is said to be 210bpm and I'm Alive at 182 , but the latter is far more aggressive.
Generally speaking doom is the heaviest genre, but is not aggressive due to lacking speed.

BTW what do you people consider the most aggressive song of BG?

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#20 Post by Alija Vila » 02 Dec 2010 00:34

Dragon Guardian wrote:BTW what do you people consider the most aggressive song of BG?
Maybe Born In A Mourning Hall or I'm Alive...

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#21 Post by thrashinbatman » 02 Dec 2010 00:35

Drex wrote:I'm sure there are plenty of Metallica haters here, but when I think heavy, a song like The Thing That Should Not Be comes to mind.
Yeah, but once again, it isn't too aggressive. But it most definitely is heavy.

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#22 Post by Precurser » 02 Dec 2010 09:28

Yea, Hansi wasn't fucking around when he said "I'm alive".
You just looked at my signature.

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#23 Post by Drex » 02 Dec 2010 16:13

thrashinbatman wrote:Yeah, but once again, it isn't too aggressive. But it most definitely is heavy.
Oh, I know. I was just kind of pointing out what I'd call "heavy" and what I'd call "aggressive"

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#24 Post by Desert_Storm » 02 Dec 2010 18:01

Alija Vila wrote:
Dragon Guardian wrote:BTW what do you people consider the most aggressive song of BG?
Maybe Born In A Mourning Hall or I'm Alive...
Born in a mourning hall? Of course opinions differ, but a song that starts out with such a happy singable major key lead-guitar, a mid-tempo soft harmonised chorus with no shouting (save "the other siiiiiiiiiiide") and a major key solo?
For me it would probably be Another Holy War or I'm Alive
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#25 Post by Alija Vila » 02 Dec 2010 21:19

Desert_Storm wrote:
Alija Vila wrote:
Dragon Guardian wrote:BTW what do you people consider the most aggressive song of BG?
Maybe Born In A Mourning Hall or I'm Alive...
Born in a mourning hall? Of course opinions differ, but a song that starts out with such a happy singable major key lead-guitar, a mid-tempo soft harmonised chorus with no shouting (save "the other siiiiiiiiiiide") and a major key solo?
For me it would probably be Another Holy War or I'm Alive
I get some kind of aggressive rebellion feeling from that song.
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#26 Post by thrashinbatman » 03 Dec 2010 05:30

Desert_Storm wrote:
Alija Vila wrote:
Dragon Guardian wrote:BTW what do you people consider the most aggressive song of BG?
Maybe Born In A Mourning Hall or I'm Alive...
Born in a mourning hall? Of course opinions differ, but a song that starts out with such a happy singable major key lead-guitar, a mid-tempo soft harmonised chorus with no shouting (save "the other siiiiiiiiiiide") and a major key solo?
For me it would probably be Another Holy War or I'm Alive
While yeah, those elements are all in the song, I still think it's a contender for the title. I'm Alive and Another Holy War are all more aggressive though.

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#27 Post by Dragon Guardian » 04 Dec 2010 02:36

Desert_Storm wrote:
Alija Vila wrote: For me it would probably be Another Holy War or I'm Alive
While yeah, those elements are all in the song, I still think it's a contender for the title. I'm Alive and Another Holy War are all more aggressive though.
I agree I think I'm Alive and Another Holy War are more aggressive. BTW don't for forget Script for my Requiem, I think it's also really aggressive. My original question was about all of BG's discography, so do you think does two songs are the most aggressive of IFTOS or of all their discography?

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#28 Post by thrashinbatman » 04 Dec 2010 06:20

Dragon Guardian wrote:
Desert_Storm wrote:
Alija Vila wrote: For me it would probably be Another Holy War or I'm Alive
While yeah, those elements are all in the song, I still think it's a contender for the title. I'm Alive and Another Holy War are all more aggressive though.
I agree I think I'm Alive and Another Holy War are more aggressive. BTW don't for forget Script for my Requiem, I think it's also really aggressive. My original question was about all of BG's discography, so do you think does two songs are the most aggressive of IFTOS or of all their discography?
Probably, yeah, save for maybe Voice in the Dark. I can't think of too many other songs that are that in your face, except maybe the beginning of Time What is Time, but the song as a whole isn't too aggressive.

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#29 Post by sharpened_graphite » 04 Dec 2010 20:05

What about "The Curse of Feanor"?

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#30 Post by Alija Vila » 05 Dec 2010 13:34

sharpened_graphite wrote:What about "The Curse of Feanor"?
Indeed an aggressive one.

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#31 Post by Feanor » 05 Dec 2010 14:04

IFTOS is pure awesomeness, no wonder they played every song from in on the live DVD :wink:
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#32 Post by Desert_Storm » 05 Dec 2010 15:25

except for biamh
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#33 Post by thrashinbatman » 05 Dec 2010 18:11

sharpened_graphite wrote:What about "The Curse of Feanor"?
Yeah, that one too. I forgot about it. :D

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