Covering songs of Blind Guardian by fans for fun

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Should we make a medley or adapt full songs?

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#1 Post by Thoreg » 18 Nov 2009 18:04

Hi!

We've been talking about adapting some of BG's songs in another forum topic, but the time has come to open a new one for the project.

At first we need to choose what to do: a medley or multiple full songs? Personally I'll vote for adapting full songs, but a medley would be great as well. This first poll runs for 4 days. That's because everything is 4. (Personal observation :D )

After that we'll collect the possible songs - the most important condition is to have a roughly correct tab. When we'll have the list, we'll take a vote about which ones to choose.

Everyone can join us with the ability of recording him/herself playing an instrument and/or singing! I hope we'll have a huge choir!! ;)

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#2 Post by Mahoora » 18 Nov 2009 18:17

I think medleys are cooler!!
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#3 Post by Wicked Child » 18 Nov 2009 18:27

Either option.. I can record something! (singing)
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#4 Post by majesty » 18 Nov 2009 18:36

I´ve got the tabs of Turn The Page, I´m sure that they´re correct but I fear that TTP is not so popular...
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#5 Post by Wicked Child » 18 Nov 2009 18:40

I have I'm Alive perfectly ripped.. too bad I can't sing it! :lol:
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#6 Post by Desert_Storm » 18 Nov 2009 19:14

Thoreg wrote:This first poll runs for 4 days. That's because everything is 4. (Personal observation :D )
Total Votes: 4
seems to be true ;)

anyway if such a project would actually be realized, I guess I could do some lead guitars and also write sheet music (or tabs, if prefered) for a song or two if there isn't any accurate stuff around. Could be a lot of work though, if you were planning to do all the choir overdub stuff.
And that leads me to the point were I suspect the problem. Any album since sfb had a hell lot of overdubs regarding guitars and vocals, not to forget the other drum/bass/keyboard tracks. That stuff is incredibly hard to mix, especially when recorded with different equipment (mics and so on). And I won't start talking about the abilities the potential singer(s) would be bound to have.
If you leave such things out, you may end up disappointed with the final result even when putting much time into the project. I'm not trying to say anything against it, it's just because I have a little experience with such things and you may be not very happy in the end. I mean, remember the "Tales from the Underworld"? To me most of the tracks on this cd are quite a disappointment, even though the guys behind the project had the best intentions and said to have selected only the best tracks they were offered.
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#7 Post by Led Guardian » 18 Nov 2009 21:15

You can get quite a few accurate tabs if one of you has Guitar Pro. Just go to ultimate-guitar.com.
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#8 Post by BRi7X » 18 Nov 2009 21:35

i'll contribute vocals!!!
also, i've been fenangling (word? it should be.) around with FL Studio lately. I've been exploring all the neat synthesizers and some more VSTs I found on the bowels of the internet, that'd be quite interesting as well. I posted this on another topic already, but I might as well mention that I took the guitar pro of Straight Through The Mirror and loaded each track up in FL Studio with a very upbeat happy feel.





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#9 Post by The Frederick » 18 Nov 2009 22:12

I pity the fool who attempts vocals. :D

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#10 Post by Led Guardian » 18 Nov 2009 22:26

BRi7X wrote:i'll contribute vocals!!!
also, i've been fenangling (word? it should be.) around with FL Studio lately. I've been exploring all the neat synthesizers and some more VSTs I found on the bowels of the internet, that'd be quite interesting as well. I posted this on another topic already, but I might as well mention that I took the guitar pro of Straight Through The Mirror and loaded each track up in FL Studio with a very upbeat happy feel.





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Finagle is indeed a word, but it is not what you are doing with FL Studio. You probably mean "fiddling." :wink:
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#11 Post by BRi7X » 18 Nov 2009 23:07

bingo! that's the word. (though i'm sad that fenangling is not. i like the sound of that word.)

but yes, when shall this project take place? will communication be done through the forum? what software will we use? how many people do you see participating? will there be a pan flute solo? etc.
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#12 Post by Lilyael » 18 Nov 2009 23:20

If you want the recorders, I ought to mention I will be working in C or F. They're near enough flute ! There's a few other stringed instruments kicking about here as well - if we get to a point where we feel like having some different sounds I am sure I can come up with something........

I feel like we shouldn't be aiming for a carbon copy of the song(s), it would be far more interesting to play with them a little :)

I guess we should set up a group separate to this forum for uploading/exchange of files ? And...er....it will probably take at least until the new album release. Hahaha
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#13 Post by BRi7X » 18 Nov 2009 23:35

yeah it'll definitely take a "blind guardian minute" to throw this together. if it's a forum collaboration like this i say we go all out with different lead instrumentalists throughout, vocalists too.
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#14 Post by Lilyael » 19 Nov 2009 00:09

totally. I reckon we should end our medley of full songs ( go on, you know you want to ) with A Past and Future Secret


Although I think we should campaign to make the Bards stick to song titles of three words or less. Getting sick of typing all that, lol
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#15 Post by Drex » 19 Nov 2009 17:26

I wish I could get in on this, but I have no way of recording.

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#16 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 19 Nov 2009 17:37

Lilyael wrote:totally. I reckon we should end our medley of full songs ( go on, you know you want to ) with A Past and Future Secret


Although I think we should campaign to make the Bards stick to song titles of three words or less. Getting sick of typing all that, lol
you meant writing "APAFS" or "ATTWS" or "BiaMH" or "LitTH"?

it is shorter than writing a three word title fully ;)
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#17 Post by Andreas » 19 Nov 2009 18:22

I'm only able to do vocals. But if possible, I'd like to try. Of course I could never come anywhere near Hansi's voice, but hey, it's a fan thing :)

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#18 Post by NovaJokerInk » 19 Nov 2009 21:30

I'm in!!!! :D

I could indeed play some leads for this project! I have some bg videos on youtube.. my channel: NovaJokerInk

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#19 Post by Thoreg » 19 Nov 2009 21:42

Hi!

Desert_Storm: Yes, I know that the project is not easy. We probably won't have a studio level final mix, but I think it will be enjoyable. We'll have fun, the community will get closer and if the spirit of the Bards helps us, the result will sound cool. It'll be precious for us and maybe if the band will listen to it once, they'll be proud! ;) Your help is welcome naturally! :mrgreen:

The process will take a lot of time, but that's not a problem! We're used to that, aren't we? :D

I use Guitar Pro for tabs as well, I have some really good ones which need only a little correction, so I don't think that we'll have any problems with that part of the project. We'll need to work from the same resource naturally to have an accurate result.

For recording I use a program called Reaper. It's just perfect: it's around 5 Mbs and knows EVERYTHING we need! :mrgreen: If we'd all work in that, we could exchange the project files as well, not only the wavs. I could take the part of mixing the stuff but I don't mind some help of course! ;)

For communication I think we should use some faster methods like MSN than the forum. That way we could send files to each other as well. If somebody has got an ftp server we could use, that would be a big help!

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#20 Post by Lilyael » 19 Nov 2009 21:59

So where does one get this Reaper thing from ?
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#21 Post by Thoreg » 19 Nov 2009 22:31

Oh yes, sorry, it's official site is http://www.reaper.fm. You can download it from there! ;)
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#22 Post by BRi7X » 19 Nov 2009 23:48

i could throw the final mix together in Sony Vegas Pro if necessary.
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#23 Post by Thoreg » 20 Nov 2009 00:04

BRi7X wrote:i could throw the final mix together in Sony Vegas Pro if necessary.
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#24 Post by somnia » 20 Nov 2009 00:17

If we are to cover full songs, we could group up and work on seperate songs as a group. It would be easier.
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#25 Post by BRi7X » 20 Nov 2009 00:29

alright well what pro-enough software does everyone have to aid this? don't be shy, i don't care how you came about said software, this isn't a morality contest... i've got the following that may be of some use:

Sony Vegas Pro 9
Sony Sound Forge Pro 10
FL Studio XXL 9

Soft synths such as:
Absynth 4
Absynth 5
Sylenth1
Poizone
Sytrus
Surge
Predator

VST effects such as:
Guitar Rig 4
Antares AVOX
Everything that came with Sound Forge and FL Studio
a whole array of effects by WAVES
Hardcore
GTR
AmplitubeMetal

If I think of any more I'll let them be known.

Also, I have /some/ knowledge of music and decent knowledge of the production and mixing aspects of it. /decent knowledge/.
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#26 Post by Cerbere » 20 Nov 2009 01:03

somnia wrote:If we are to cover full songs, we could group up and work on seperate songs as a group. It would be easier.
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#27 Post by Thoreg » 20 Nov 2009 02:11

The list of softwares I use (there are many so it's possible that I forget to mention some of them):

Reaper and everything that came with it
POD Farm
Guitar Rig 3
Lots of DSK instruments
NWSynth
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Musiclab RealGuitar and RealStrat
reFX Vanguard
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FreeverbToo
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iZotope RX

My hardware is a Line6 PodXT Live, an ENGL Savage 120 + XXL cab, a studio condenser mic for recording my backing vocals and a Behringer audio mixer. I think I'll better use the multieffect for this project because it's much easier than to record the amp correctly. My guitar is an ESP Horizon FR-I BLK with EMG 81-85 pickups tuned to Eb like in Blind Guardian.

Maybe if all of you could tell about your equipment, it would be useful. :)
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#28 Post by Cerbere » 20 Nov 2009 02:18

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#29 Post by BRi7X » 20 Nov 2009 02:23

there's a pretty decent drumkit that came with FL Studio that I forgot to mention... FPC.
plus all the effects built into fl studio like the soundgoodizer and the fruity reeeverb, etc.
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#30 Post by BRi7X » 20 Nov 2009 02:31

oh yeah, any of you guys wanna hear a vocal sample of mine? i did it of this indie folk rock song by the decemberists called summersong (introduced to me last year by the same dude who showed me blind guardian a few years ago)

i hansified the fuck outta the chorus. the fuck.
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#31 Post by power_dysfunction » 20 Nov 2009 07:15

I can sing (quite high, there are only a handful of songs with parts I can't reach, though I don't have Hansi's power and rasp on the high notes), play guitar, do all kinds of synth and quite convincing orchestral sounds, and provide exceedingly convincing software drums (Toontrack Superior 2, MUCH better than FL Studio drums). I've got the same wah pedal Andre currently uses (Dunlop Crybaby 535q), and I think I've got a good grasp on how he uses it. I can also record all of this in very good quality, and I'm proficient at mixing. So, I can do basically whatever we don't have anyone else to do. I can record a sample of all this stuff together if you guys want :)
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#32 Post by BRi7X » 20 Nov 2009 07:48

the part that caught my eye was the fl studio part, i'll read the rest of the post after i post this... but when you say the fl studio drums, do you mean like the standard kick, claps, snare, hihat samples? or the actual FPC plugin?
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#33 Post by BRi7X » 20 Nov 2009 08:05

looks like you and i will be the main producers then, it seems.... what software do you use?
I'm so fucking down for this project. I'll be willing to work on some sort of music video with VERY GOOD professional grade cameras and lights.
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#34 Post by Desert_Storm » 20 Nov 2009 22:28

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#35 Post by Edain » 20 Nov 2009 23:32

My equipment? My voice. I think I'll be able to catch a microphone somewhere. :mrgreen:
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#36 Post by Cerbere » 21 Nov 2009 03:26

After the full songs wins, we should vote on the album, then the song

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#37 Post by BRi7X » 21 Nov 2009 04:01

well we should start off simple with and then there was silence.
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#38 Post by Cerbere » 21 Nov 2009 04:45

I'm think more for old stuff

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#39 Post by Metal Fan » 21 Nov 2009 05:26

How about we start off with Harvest of Sorrow because Marcus
has it on GMC. I've never watched it, but shouldn't it be how to play the song?
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#40 Post by Cerbere » 21 Nov 2009 05:42

Well I think we should vote

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#41 Post by Metal Fan » 21 Nov 2009 05:48

Time to vote!!
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#42 Post by SozosMichael » 21 Nov 2009 08:43

I can help with vocals, guitars and drums, my voice gets really close to what Hansi sounds like during the chorus of The Bard Song: The Hobbit :D

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#43 Post by power_dysfunction » 21 Nov 2009 10:08

BRi7X wrote:the part that caught my eye was the fl studio part, i'll read the rest of the post after i post this... but when you say the fl studio drums, do you mean like the standard kick, claps, snare, hihat samples? or the actual FPC plugin?
It's much better than either, really. Toontrack Superior uses thousands of samples, several dozen for each articulation of each drum or cymbal. Each library is sampled in the very best studios (for instance the Hit Factory, where Dream Theater recorded Octavarium), by top producers and top drummers (such as Tomas Haake of Meshuggah). It's the 'big brother' of EZdrummer. I also use Rayzoon Jamstix, which is basically a drumming AI with 'models' of famous drummers like Mike Portnoy and Jason Bittner, to program midi for Superior.

As for production software, I use a combination of Sonar 8 Producer Edition and Adobe Audition 3.

As for which song, I don't have a strong opinion (Mordred's Song would be cool), but I think it's better if we don't do an acoustic song, as there would be less parts to record and thus we wouldn't be able to make use of as many people- which we want to do so this will be a true community project.
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#44 Post by majesty » 21 Nov 2009 12:33

The Quest For Tanelorn would be nice.
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#45 Post by SozosMichael » 22 Nov 2009 14:24

power_dysfunction wrote:As for which song, I don't have a strong opinion (Mordred's Song would be cool), but I think it's better if we don't do an acoustic song, as there would be less parts to record and thus we wouldn't be able to make use of as many people- which we want to do so this will be a true community project.
Agreed...
It would be really cool if each of us contributed with a different voice, guitar, bass, or drum track and then got them mixed together and EQ'd by an expert:P

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#46 Post by Cream » 22 Nov 2009 21:03

As someone already mentioned, mixing together a bunch of tracks that were recorded in different environments using different equipment is quite difficult and the outcome isn't always too pleasant. I tried getting a forum collaboration going for ATTWS but it ended up being just power_dysfunction and myself. Anyway, sounds like an ambitious project you guys are planning, so good luck!
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#47 Post by power_dysfunction » 23 Nov 2009 05:30

I'd say we should have:

-No more than two people doing rhythm guitar, each one double-tracking the entire song to get 4 tracks total
-Probably one person doing lead is easiest
-If we do a song like Time What Is Time, one person each could contribute Marcus' and Andre's acoustic parts from the beginning, so that's more people that can join in
-It doesn't matter as much who contributes what synth parts, that should be easier to work around
-Whoever does drums should also do the mixing; as we discovered when working on Cream's ATTWS cover, it's quite difficult to mix drums and the rest of the song separately
-However, a separate person could master it, though this should be someone who really knows what they're doing and has good equipment, otherwise it's better to leave it
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Re: Covering songs of Blind Guardian by fans for fun

#48 Post by Cerbere » 23 Nov 2009 19:17

Ok I could do rhythm guitar I believe

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Re: Covering songs of Blind Guardian by fans for fun

#49 Post by wade-newb » 25 Nov 2009 18:44

I love this community :D
I could do vocals as well, although it seems as though there are enough already :)
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Re: Covering songs of Blind Guardian by fans for fun

#50 Post by Wicked Child » 28 Nov 2009 03:42

For all the singers out there.. some regards..

1st, we all know that probably no one here will have the exatcly Hansi's voice color.. It doesn't mean, though, that one can't hit the notes. And also on that matter, it doesn't even need to be the same tone after all.. I mean, a third or octave lower wont make much difference depending on which lines we're talking about.. ask Hansi about that! :wink:
2nd, on studio there is a bunch of vocal layers, but we don't need to record them all as perfectly as it is originally recorded! Not even if we wanted to... We could do, as they do it in live gigs.. I mean, we can pull it off with one main voice, 2 or 3 backings and some additional layers just to cover up the overlapping verses.
3rd, I can sing very harsh both low and high notes... but I don't have any equipment to record.. if you tech-guys can figure something out I would be happy to be part on this thing.

If not.. I wish you guys have fun and I'll surely enjoy the final result.. good luck!
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