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Blind Guardian @ Metalcamp

#1 Post by Desert_Storm » 13 Jul 2009 22:51

Hi there,
I just felt like discussing this year´s Blind Guardian Metalcamp show with some of you guys, for I guess some of you guys have also seen it.
Apart from the haircut (that IMHO doesn´t really have to do anything with their musical qualities), there are to things I wanted to hear your opinion about:

- The setlist
Though I consider it as great that they made some changes in their set, I thought that they played too much stuff from their past 2 albums. There are some great songs on the older albums, eg. tftth and sfb they could have played if they wanted to make some changes, or at least a mix between them. For this one concert it was certainly fine, but I don´t hope that I´ll mostly get new stuff on the following tours. Of course, hearing Blood Tears live was one great experience, but I think that I´m not the only one who expected songs like battlefield or curse of feanor after they announced to play some stuff they never did live before, especially because these two were voted for the BGOA setlist and not played there.

- Hansi´s voice
Yes I know, Hansi has never been the best live singer and has made many octave changes in some songs before, but I think he did even more so this time, and what was even worse, most of the high lines he actually sang were done with far too much distorted and sounded sometimes even death- or blackmetal like. In comparision with the past shows I attended or the live album, where he did such lines cristal clear, I have to ask - has he any health problems or such like?

I´m looking forward to your opinions!

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#2 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 13 Jul 2009 23:03

about the setlist, i have to disagree, i am glad they finally put more recent material in the setlist, and i think they should keep that up.
on teh other hand, i would love to hear some other "oldies" than the standard "valhalla-majesty-welcome to dying" set.
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#3 Post by Arwen Arianna » 13 Jul 2009 23:58

I have to disagree on terms of the setlist... Of course it's always a matter of opinion, but I think they've played the old stuff when it was still new, so now it's time to play the new songs... I mean.. they've now reached the point where they have far too many awesome songs.. they can't play them all in one show. You can't just stick to the old stuff, as good as it may be. I like the new stuff much better, but that's really a matter of taste.

As for Hansi's voice... I didn't see them at Metalcamp, but at Masters of Rock this Saturday and I thought he sounded awesome.. as I already stated, it was a perfect balance between clear and rough screams (funny thing is.. when he started singing clear screams, everyone said they wanted the IFTOS vocals back and that the singing lessons had ruined him etc.. now that he did some rough screaming, it's just the other way round.. just wanted to point this out...)
I've listened to some live stuff from the NIME tour and compared to the shows I've seen during the past 3 years it was almost bad... might be the quality of the records, but I really doubt it, as Hansi's voice is clear. I think he improved his live singing quite a lot.
As much as I love ITTLG and Live, I prefer his singing nowadays... Really can't say he's bad live, to the contrary! He rocks! I've seen them live 6 times since 2006 and am totally happy with the turn they've taken... (you could really hear that they were better each time...)

So much for my point of view...
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#4 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 14 Jul 2009 00:13

i agree with arwen on the progression of the band, when i first saw them they were great, hansi was good, but by far not as awesome as he is these days. and well, as stated, if he would go back to teh iftos style and do rough screams and generally sing in a rough way, many people including me would complain about that

can't please everybody, that is just a fact, we all have our own opinions, i'm just very happy that the band seems to move the same direction as i am.
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#5 Post by Desert_Storm » 14 Jul 2009 14:20

Of course it´s all matters of opinion, especially the setlist thing, for I am not the one who wants to hear the majesty/valhalla/wtd set over and over again and I really like the new stuff (I think ANATO is their best album after IFTOS). On the other hand, I´ve heard Hansi live 2 and 3 years ago on their titm tour and I really think he sounded much better then. I was at Metalcamp with more than 20 people and when I came back from the concert they were all like "is he sick" or "has he any problems with his voice" because he seemed to struggle with every high note he sang.
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#6 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 14 Jul 2009 14:56

could be metalcamp was a bad performance, at Graspop in june he nailed everything
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#7 Post by Orodaran » 14 Jul 2009 19:34

Gandalf de Grijze wrote:about the setlist, i have to disagree, i am glad they finally put more recent material in the setlist, and i think they should keep that up.
Indeed, whenever they'll tour for the new album, I want a "new album" tour, not an "Imaginations" tour: in the ANATO and ATITM gigs it was a regular to have only 2 songs off the new album, and 5-6 off Imaginations, plus the same 4 NIME songs, so these kind of changes are always welcomed... and I hope they play half new album next time around!

About Hansi's "clean" vs "rough" screams... and the singing style... I don't want to diss the man because he improved a lot lately and he gave a very good performance at my festival, but I guess that when we're talking about rough screams live, the term "rough" is quite literal -it's not a scream full of wicked energy like the singing style of Imaginations (the album), it's just a scream very suffered and very rough and coarse because of not being entirely able to pull it off. Again, all in all I am very happy about Hansi's latest performances and I'd say they're some of the best I ever witnessed live from him, but we have to admit that some (not all, some) of the screams just sound like an attempt to do something that in the end doesn't turn out :wink:
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#8 Post by Arwen Arianna » 14 Jul 2009 22:47

I don't know which ATITM shows you have seen.. As I already said I have seen them live 6 times since 2006 and did like every performance (had nothing to complain about, really), but I think compared to the last show I saw this Saturday, the first show I saw in 2006 was "merely" quite good.... I could hear an improvement every time I saw them and the show in Barcelona last September simply blew me away!
About the rough screaming which sounds like a weak attempt at screaming.. I do agree that it sometimes sounded a little like that when he started screaming more again (he sang quite some parts lower during the ATITM tour, especially that certain part of the Bard's Song) but last Saturday he sang some clear high screams you simply can't complain about! There was a lot of rough screaming as well, but it sounded very poweful to me (one or two exceptions maybe, but no more...) Also his singing was extremely good...
edit: I just watched some MC videos.. the other shows really seem to have been a lot better. Must have had a bad day... no wonder with all the bad weather and rain... e.g. Graspop seems perfect to me...
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#9 Post by Gandalf de Grijze » 14 Jul 2009 22:59

Graspop WAS almost perfect, could only have been perfected by Blood Tears
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#10 Post by Edain » 15 Jul 2009 12:40

I must admit, since the euphoria of seeing them live at Metalcamp (and seeing Blood Tears, This will never end AND Silence in one show :P ) has cooled down a bit, I have to say that his singing style has changed somehow indeed. On the one hand I love the way he does more rough singing now as it gives some songs really more "punch" and finally he managed to do the intro-scream to Script for my Requiem again - on the other side I also found it a pity he sounds sort of "out of breath" often (check the various Blood Tears-videos on Youtube and you know what I mean) and mostly now leaves the really high-pitched screams (e.g. the "Alive"-part in Blood Tears) out. So let's just wait and see what the future brings.
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#11 Post by Arwen Arianna » 15 Jul 2009 18:07

yeah, well, Blood Tears is an exception... I suppose they're somewhat experimenting with it like they did with TWNE (the first time I heard it it was totally different and I was like "yeah, nice.. but.." but this time I totally loved it!)... they changed the melody and such, I'm not too fond of that, either... but I don't think it's because they couldn't do it differently :? (he sang a lot of much higher parts )
(never understood that...)
I can't agree that he sounds out of breath, at least he didn't at MoR (plus he sang clear screams as well, as I already pointed out, meaning he's capable of doing it... )
admittedly no clear scream, but damn beautiful IMO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjCxKjTPRvM
I'd rather worry about the fact that he fucked up the lyrics of THE BARD'S SONG! :shock:
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#12 Post by Orodaran » 15 Jul 2009 19:41

At my concert he messed up Sacred, which is forgivable, but Bard's Song.....???? :shock: :P :P
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#13 Post by Arwen Arianna » 15 Jul 2009 19:57

Sacred was perfect.. but this is... oO :lol: Funny thing is.. I didn't even notice.. :D
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#14 Post by Edain » 16 Jul 2009 13:28

Geez, he's not used to singing the Bards song himself. :mrgreen:
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#15 Post by GuineaPig » 16 Jul 2009 15:23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glZwjSTn0FI

Hansi went back to the better lyric on Script for My Requiem!

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#16 Post by Edain » 16 Jul 2009 16:32

You meant the change from "save us from the evil storm" to "reach out for your Holy Grail"? Yes, he did. Luckily. :mrgreen:
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#17 Post by Arwen Arianna » 17 Jul 2009 12:54

Good to hear :)
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#18 Post by Metal Fan » 22 Jul 2009 07:44

Since no one reads what I write anyways I guess I can say this.

Seeing Hansi doesn't bother me. ( I SWEAR I saw him in a casino in Vegas. If it wasn't him I don't know who it was. It was around November '08.) It's Marcus that bothers me. Every time I see a video of him live he just looks so cute!!! I don't know; he makes me dizzy. :)
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