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#1 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 27 Dec 2010 11:02

Yep, it's another yearlist (as such a thing is mandatory during this time of the year), this time consisting of the best games around. Post your top x, I'm looking forward to them!

1 - Alan Wake

Although it's easy to find faults in this game if you consciously look for them, Alan Wake remains the most involving experience I had with a videogame in all 2010. It's one of those rare games which glues you to the joypad and demands your full attention until beaten. The definite proof that videogames, as a medium are surpassing the storytellingprowess of books, and that's quite something.

2 - Fifa 11

The game that took most of my time. EA took a gamble when they increased the difficulty to cater towards the core audience and although I am not satisfied with every aspect of it's difficulty - most notably the flawed offside ruling and the way the CPU gets away with gruesome fouls - it's one of those games where practice takes off. Winning the European cup with FC Groningen was among the highlights of my year.

3 - Goldeneye 007

This little wiimake came out of nowhere and surprised me with a thrilling experience - much like James Bond does himself. It's a different game than the original, but that makes it all the more interesting. The best game on the wii by far.

4 - Maffia 2


Every year there's a title that's grossly misunderstood, and this year that's Mafia. Players have complained endlessly that's it's different from GTA. Sure, but I would say that that's part of it's charm. What it lacks in minigames it makes up by making the city, the characters and their story come alive.

5 - Red Dead Redemption


Never thought that 25 hours looking at an horse's ass could be so exhilarating.

6 - Dragon Age Origins Awakenings

Though technically not a game but an expansion I decided to include it nevertheless. After all: with nearly 30 hours of gameplay it outlasts the singleplayer of Black Ops by a huge margin. What can I say? Great game which expands on the original rather nicely. Cannot wait for DAO2.

7 - Final Fantasy 13

Though at it's heart a deeply flawed game, I cannot deny that I did have some great times with it. The graphics are among the best ever and the battle-system had its moments. Still a shame about the linearity and the poorly constructed story.

8 - Epic Mickey

What can I say? It's Disney meeting up with Super Mario Sunshine

9 - Donkey Kong Country Returns

A big trip down memory lane. This game does a lot of things right, most notably the graphics and the novel leveldesign. Great stuff.

10 - James Bond Bloodstone

Though not as great as Goldeneye I still had a great time with this one. Great storyline, great graphics and entertaining gameplay. Not the longest game ever made, but no moment was ever a dull moment.
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#2 Post by MarchOfTime » 28 Dec 2010 01:19

1. Mass Effect 2

2. Assassins Creed Brotherhood

3. Black Ops (Am I the only one who liked the storyline?/ Doesn't
complain about the multiplayer?)

4. Fallout New Vegas, glitches and all

5. Red Dead Redemption

6. Alan Wake (I even got my mother to play it, she loves
those weird Twin-Peaks - esque scares)

7. Minecraft

8. Just Cause 2

Most anticipated : Skyrim
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#3 Post by Frozen within » 30 Dec 2010 12:30

1. Halo Reach (xbox 360). They seriously took the whole franchise to the next level and beyond. The action is way more varied than it ever was (where the fuck were those jetpacks all those years ?) and as far as single player gaming goes, this is prolly as involved as one can get. And what could ever be more epic than shooting pink homing shreds in someone's ass which cause him to explode ?

2. ehm ... there is no other game (built this year anyway) that I really liked. I played the Dead space 2 demo last weekend and I haven't walked through an unlit room since, so that's a promising title.

Plus, I want Crysis 2 NOW and hopefully the new Elder Scroll's game will be good.
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#4 Post by Skyflat » 30 Dec 2010 13:17

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#5 Post by ThePKH » 02 Jan 2011 01:06

Frozen within wrote:And what could ever be more epic than shooting pink homing shreds in someone's ass which cause him to explode ?
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#6 Post by Valkyrja » 02 Jan 2011 07:29

1. Mass Effect 2 - I already ranted about this in Guardian of the Blind, but holy shit I love this game. :D Great story, character development and gameplay.
2. Halo Reach - the addition to the trilogy that Halo deserves. I really couldn't get into ODST, but Reach brought back the nostalgia of the first few games in a great way. :D
3. Fallout New Vegas - buggy as hell but very entertaining. Yeah, it's basically the same thing as Fallout 3, but the factions are fun and it's still a good game.
4. Red Dead Redemption - Awesome game. Enough said, really.
5. Robot Unicorn Attack - This is the most addicting Flash game I've ever played and I love it to pieces. Even better is the Heavy Metal Edition, which features a song by this one German power metal band some of you guys might know.
6. God of War 3 - that came out this year, right? I don't have a PS3 but I played it at a friend's house and loved it. It's a shame it's PS3 exclusive, though. I loved the other two. :\
7. Minecraft - So simple, so great. XD
8. CoD Black Ops - It's call of duty. :P I like it for the same reason I like any other CoD game.
9. Assasin's Creed Brotherhood - I actually just got this one so I haven't finished it yet, but so far it's awesome! I'm sure it'll rise higher in my list once I play it more ;)
10. Epic Mickey - Like that other guy said, Super Mario Sunshine with Mickey Mouse. :P

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#7 Post by Lord Borbak » 13 Jan 2011 00:53

Red Dead Redemption
Heavy Rain
God of War 3
Call of Duty : Black Ops
Assassin's Creed : Brotherhood
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#8 Post by rdyfrde » 13 Jan 2011 03:24

I only played one that came out in 2010: Dragon Quest IX

It's pretty cool :)
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#9 Post by Cerbere » 15 Jan 2011 02:39

I've only played two games that came out in 2010:

1. Assassin's Creed Brotherhood
2. Call Of Duty Black Ops

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#10 Post by Frozen within » 15 Jan 2011 13:55

I was gonna add Bioshock 2 if it turned out that I liked it. But I didn´t, it´s a complete rehash all over and to me that means a major bummer ...

Well, this year could be a great year for (console) gaming, we´ve got Gears of War 3, Crysis 2, Mass Effect 3, Dead Space 2, Elders Scrolls V : Skyrim ... Errr, those are all sequels so far, which only now occurs to me :o I hope a new surprise lies ahead as well. I mean, as great as those games mentioned are (prolly) going to be, there must be a certain level of deju vu while playing them. Oh yeah, there´s this realtime fantasy rpg coming out, I think it´s called Torchlight ? Anyway, watched a vid that looked both promising and really childish too. Right up my ally ! There´s rumours around which say that if this game will sell alright, the new Diablo installment will also come to consoles, which of course ROCKS.
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#11 Post by Palantyre » 15 Jan 2011 16:39

Oh yeah, there´s this realtime fantasy rpg coming out, I think it´s called Torchlight ?
Torchlight has been out for some time now, but there's a sequel coming for it. Torchlight is pretty much as shameless a Diablo-knockoff as you could imagine, but it's not a bad thing. It's a well-made game that's fun to play, good for some casual hack-slash-and-loot gaming.
I dunno how much different Torchlight 2 is going to be, but the biggest advertised improvement is the inclusion of multiplayer, which the first game didn't have in any form.
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#12 Post by Led Guardian » 16 Jan 2011 01:10

Frozen within wrote:There´s rumours around which say that if this game will sell alright, the new Diablo installment will also come to consoles, which of course ROCKS.
At the risk of drawing fire from legions of slavering fans, this does not excite me. I played Diablo 2, and I found it to be incredibly dull and boring. The endless clicking of real-time RPGs, without the alleviation of character interaction or anything resembling a meaningful or engaging plot. This seems to put me in a small minority.
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#13 Post by Mackasfour » 16 Jan 2011 08:25

Led Guardian wrote:
Frozen within wrote:There´s rumours around which say that if this game will sell alright, the new Diablo installment will also come to consoles, which of course ROCKS.
At the risk of drawing fire from legions of slavering fans, this does not excite me. I played Diablo 2, and I found it to be incredibly dull and boring. The endless clicking of real-time RPGs, without the alleviation of character interaction or anything resembling a meaningful or engaging plot. This seems to put me in a small minority.
You, sir... Shall die :D Diablo is the single greatest RPG series and I can not wait for the new innovative Diablo 3. More depth than just point and click this time around. But with a great made game such as Diablo I would still play if all I had to do was press spacebar like a retard
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#14 Post by Palantyre » 16 Jan 2011 18:57

innovative
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sorry, *cough* but...

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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#15 Post by Led Guardian » 17 Jan 2011 00:25

Mackasfour wrote:
Led Guardian wrote:
Frozen within wrote:There´s rumours around which say that if this game will sell alright, the new Diablo installment will also come to consoles, which of course ROCKS.
At the risk of drawing fire from legions of slavering fans, this does not excite me. I played Diablo 2, and I found it to be incredibly dull and boring. The endless clicking of real-time RPGs, without the alleviation of character interaction or anything resembling a meaningful or engaging plot. This seems to put me in a small minority.
You, sir... Shall die :D Diablo is the single greatest RPG series and I can not wait for the new innovative Diablo 3. More depth than just point and click this time around. But with a great made game such as Diablo I would still play if all I had to do was press spacebar like a retard
I would like to contest a major point, which is that I do not consider Diablo much of an RPG. Abilities, HP, and leveling up do not an RPG make. You participate in a very linear quest, in which someone tells you to go do something, and you kill a bunch of stuff. You don't interact with NPC's beyond there basic function, you make no choices. Not really an RPG. For that matter, neither are any jRPG's that I've heard of. Especially since you don't even make your own character.
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#16 Post by Mackasfour » 27 Jan 2011 14:20

Palantyre wrote:
innovative
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sorry, *cough* but...

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Diablo 3 will be innovative.... to the series :P
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#17 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 27 Jan 2011 22:41

I would like to contest a major point, which is that I do not consider Diablo much of an RPG. Abilities, HP, and leveling up do not an RPG make. You participate in a very linear quest, in which someone tells you to go do something, and you kill a bunch of stuff. You don't interact with NPC's beyond there basic function, you make no choices. Not really an RPG. For that matter, neither are any jRPG's that I've heard of. Especially since you don't even make your own character.
I have to disagree with you on multiple counts. Mind you, I have never played Diablo, but you reasoning is not without its faults. Linear console rpg's have been around for tens of years, and the whole concept of creating your own character is a fairly recent addition to the genre. In the early nineties the rpg-genre was already starting to bloom and we were happy to play through a fantasy-world with a preset character. The fact that modern technology allows for more freedom, doesn't disqualify the more traditional game as rpg's.
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#18 Post by Led Guardian » 28 Jan 2011 00:09

The Rider Of Rohan wrote:
I would like to contest a major point, which is that I do not consider Diablo much of an RPG. Abilities, HP, and leveling up do not an RPG make. You participate in a very linear quest, in which someone tells you to go do something, and you kill a bunch of stuff. You don't interact with NPC's beyond there basic function, you make no choices. Not really an RPG. For that matter, neither are any jRPG's that I've heard of. Especially since you don't even make your own character.
I have to disagree with you on multiple counts. Mind you, I have never played Diablo, but you reasoning is not without its faults. Linear console rpg's have been around for tens of years, and the whole concept of creating your own character is a fairly recent addition to the genre. In the early nineties the rpg-genre was already starting to bloom and we were happy to play through a fantasy-world with a preset character. The fact that modern technology allows for more freedom, doesn't disqualify the more traditional game as rpg's.
I use an old-fashioned definition of RPG, not bound to video games specifically. Most vg rpg's I only call that for convenience. TO me RPG is defined by A) that tactical kind of gameplay and B) story and the ability to make at least farily meaningful choices.
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#19 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 28 Jan 2011 14:22

I have to disagree with that. Thing is that, unlike a first person shooter, the rpg isn't a genre that can be pigeonholed. The comparison is easy. In a first person shooter you play in first person, and you shoot. Change either of the two, and you have a different genre.

It's different with rpg's, because they aren't defined by their gameplay-traits, rather they're made up of a selection of them. This is largely due to the fact that, due to their open-ended nature, the rpg-genre is one of the few genres left which allows for creativity on behalf of the makers.

Typically rpg's:

- have an emphasis on storytelling
- allow you to live as someone else in another world
- allow for charachter-development (be it statistical or not) and inventory management

Though for every mentioned pount, there's bound to be a game that doesn't include it though it's undeniably an rpg.

I have to disagree with the statement that a game has to have tactical gameplay. Arpg's (for example Elder Scrolls) can be notably lacking in this department. The same goes for meaningful choices. Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy never had anything consequential in this department, for example.
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#20 Post by Led Guardian » 28 Jan 2011 16:48

The Rider Of Rohan wrote:I have to disagree with that. Thing is that, unlike a first person shooter, the rpg isn't a genre that can be pigeonholed. The comparison is easy. In a first person shooter you play in first person, and you shoot. Change either of the two, and you have a different genre.

It's different with rpg's, because they aren't defined by their gameplay-traits, rather they're made up of a selection of them. This is largely due to the fact that, due to their open-ended nature, the rpg-genre is one of the few genres left which allows for creativity on behalf of the makers.

Typically rpg's:

- have an emphasis on storytelling
- allow you to live as someone else in another world
- allow for charachter-development (be it statistical or not) and inventory management

Though for every mentioned pount, there's bound to be a game that doesn't include it though it's undeniably an rpg.

I have to disagree with the statement that a game has to have tactical gameplay. Arpg's (for example Elder Scrolls) can be notably lacking in this department. The same goes for meaningful choices. Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy never had anything consequential in this department, for example.
Tactical gameplay is a little fuzzy. I just threw that in there to try to limit it, as there are likely games that have you make some choices, but are not RPGs. This is the least important element. The ability to make character/story related choices (beyond where to assign ability points) is what I consider a defining point of an RPG. The flaw in your argument is that you use games that people call RPGs and use them as examples. I contend that games like FF are not truly RPGs, and that the name is simply one of expedience. Most games called RPGs I would not define as truly RPGs.
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#21 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 28 Jan 2011 23:23

Having a choice could be a part of an rpg, but doesn't have to be so necessarily, because historically that reasoning isn't exactly accurate. The rpg-genre has been around for quite a long time, and for a long time we didn't have any choices at all - just a big world to discover and characters to fall in love with.

Saying that a game like Final Fantasy isn't an rpg, is the equivalent of a death metalfan saying that Iron Maiden isn't metal, because they don't have harsh vocals. It might be true in his eyes, but if you look at the big picture through a semi-historical perspective, it's quite wrong.

In fact, the analogy between rpg's and metal might be less strange than it seems at first glance. Both have evolved as a winged name for a large variety of niches. Just as you cannot name a be-all-and-end-all list of traits that a band has to apply to in order to qualify as metal (after all: if you make such a list of rules you could always find at least one band who breaks these rules yet still applies as metal), you cannot do the same thing about rpg's either.

I mean: if games like Chrono Trigger, Breath of Fire and Final Fantasy's aren't rpg's, then what else would they be?
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#22 Post by Led Guardian » 29 Jan 2011 08:28

The Rider Of Rohan wrote:Having a choice could be a part of an rpg, but doesn't have to be so necessarily, because historically that reasoning isn't exactly accurate. The rpg-genre has been around for quite a long time, and for a long time we didn't have any choices at all - just a big world to discover and characters to fall in love with.

Saying that a game like Final Fantasy isn't an rpg, is the equivalent of a death metalfan saying that Iron Maiden isn't metal, because they don't have harsh vocals. It might be true in his eyes, but if you look at the big picture through a semi-historical perspective, it's quite wrong.

In fact, the analogy between rpg's and metal might be less strange than it seems at first glance. Both have evolved as a winged name for a large variety of niches. Just as you cannot name a be-all-and-end-all list of traits that a band has to apply to in order to qualify as metal (after all: if you make such a list of rules you could always find at least one band who breaks these rules yet still applies as metal), you cannot do the same thing about rpg's either.

I mean: if games like Chrono Trigger, Breath of Fire and Final Fantasy's aren't rpg's, then what else would they be?
Again, you are not moving beyond video games. I'm not basing a definition on the history of video games, because I'm not just talking about video games.

About what to call them, that's not a good question. The obvious answer is that if something does not fit, give it a new name.
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#23 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 29 Jan 2011 12:39

And whose to say the name doesn't fit? In the old days we used to call those games rpg's. Just because more recent games add new twists to the genre, doesn't mean that it automatically means the name of the games who came before have to change.

And I might've been missing something, but where did any of us point out that we weren't talking about videogames? Because I seem to have missed that part.
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#24 Post by Led Guardian » 29 Jan 2011 21:21

The Rider Of Rohan wrote:And whose to say the name doesn't fit? In the old days we used to call those games rpg's. Just because more recent games add new twists to the genre, doesn't mean that it automatically means the name of the games who came before have to change.

And I might've been missing something, but where did any of us point out that we weren't talking about videogames? Because I seem to have missed that part.
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One of my main points in that I don't think that games such as you have discussed should ever have been called RPGs.
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#25 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 30 Jan 2011 13:02

Then what should they have called those games at the time?
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#26 Post by Led Guardian » 30 Jan 2011 23:52

The Rider Of Rohan wrote:Then what should they have called those games at the time?
I don't know. I'm sure some clever person could have thought of something if they had wanted.
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#27 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 31 Jan 2011 19:34

So basically you are accusing Square and Enix of the fact that 25 years ago they couldn't anticipate someone on the Blind Guardian-forum disliking their choice for a moniker based on games released by American companies in the 2000s?

You're absolutely right, it's a blasphemy.
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#28 Post by Led Guardian » 31 Jan 2011 20:26

The Rider Of Rohan wrote:So basically you are accusing Square and Enix of the fact that 25 years ago they couldn't anticipate someone on the Blind Guardian-forum disliking their choice for a moniker based on games released by American companies in the 2000s?

You're absolutely right, it's a blasphemy.
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The answer is no. That's a misinterpretation of what I'm saying, which I think you know.
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#29 Post by Cerbere » 01 Feb 2011 01:17

I'm kind of on Led Guardian's side for this. While I do believe Final Fantasy is an RPG, I think that Japanese RPGs are essentially different from other RPGs.

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#30 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 01 Feb 2011 15:31

Well, in many ways you are right. The whole rpg-genre has evolved throughout the years, to the point where there are multiple sub-genres:

-jrpg's
-wrpg's
-tactical rpg's
-dugenocrawlers
-action rpg's

So yeah, there's a definete difference between japanese rpg's and the western ones (although this isn't entirely new either... these subgenres have been around since the 16-bit era, with the only difference being that the contrasts between subgenres has increased with the advance in technology and gamedesign).
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#31 Post by Desert_Storm » 07 Feb 2011 15:04

Come on, it's clear what Led was saying and that he was right.
RPG's on computers are quite easy to define, or at least it was when they were introduced to computers: You take a RPG (that is, a pen&paper game), and substitute the GM with the computer so that it tells you were you are and it throws the dice for you. This can be with graphics, but doesn't have to, since the average p&p RPG doesn't contain any visuals at all, but plays in your mind.
Taking p/p games to the computer was started in the beginning of the seventies, and I think the Japanese version didn't appear before the mid-80's. So yeah, they don't have too much in common with the traditional, western rpg's, though they are very popular especially with console players. So if you want to stick to your metal-analogy, say the D&D style rpgs in the tradition of pen and paper are the Maiden's and the Metallica's, whereas the eastern games would be the Limp Bizkits (not to say anything against them with that, I loved playing Final Fantasy): Very popular, successful, have meanwhile been around for some time, certainly share some attributes with their distant relatives; nevertheless a traditional Metal fan wouldn't name it a good example of metal music, if a valid example at all.
The same thing will happen when you walk into old-fashioned pen&paper style players who certainly wouldn't consider Final Fantasy a rpg in the traditional sense of world.
With Diablo it's a different thing, if we stay with the metal analogy, Diablo might be the Dragonforce of the rpg genre: Clearly in the line of the old traditional games, very fast, funny, exciting, yet lacking some of the substance that we get when we listen to Maiden or play Baldur's Gate :D
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Re: Yearlist best videogames of 2010

#32 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 07 Feb 2011 19:26

Nice read. But didn't you actually just confirm my theory of saying that the rpg-genre has branched into different subgemres? Because even the examples you used to explain my analogy by, supports this theory.

I actually consider Limp Bizkit and Dragonforce to be metalbands just like Maiden are. They might not be examples of bands I would particularly enjoy myself, but that's a different thing. Just because Maiden was there early on, doesn't mean that other bands cannot add things to the music and evolve their ideas further to create their specific brand of metal. And there might actually be people who prefer the style of metal that Dragonforce and Limp Bizkit make. Again, it's not my choice, but I could not deny them the right to do so either.

The only moment I would step in to correct them would be when anyone says that Maiden is not a metalband because they don't have blastbeats or rap vocals. That would be wrong because a) Maiden have always been called metal and influenced the bands after them and b) there's no sense in changing labels in retrospect, when it's easier to accept that there's a new subgenre.

So all in all it's mostly in - to use an old rpg reference - the eye of the beholder.
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#33 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 07 Feb 2011 20:40

Just something I though of. Back in 1996, the brilliant Zy Nichelson wrote a 5 page feature about rpg's on the snes for the equally brilliant magazine Super Play. I uploaded the scans from the magazine below. Posting these isn't really proving anything, it's just interesting to put this whole discussion in a more historic perspective.

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Some things I learned from rereading these articles:

- The rpg genre has evolved more through the years than any other genre has. Today's first person shooters are baby-steps removed from Doom in comparison the huge leaps the rpg-genre took.
- The contrast between rpg's and other genres was bigger back in those days (which it was much easier back then to pigeonhole a certain game as an rpg). This isn't necessarily because of rpg's didn't change, but more so because other genres took so many influences from rpg's. Nowadays there are fightinggames and shooters that offer decent characterization and storytelling. Hell, even Fifa and Assassins Creed have an (limited) exp-system. Of all the genres created throughout the years, the rpg-genre is arguably the most influential one right after Mario.
- Some of the ideas they had for innovations actually came true, most notably the interactivity (Bethesda does a great job at this) and the morale-rating (which is principal Bioware-territory).

I hope you'll have a nice read.
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Re: Yearlist best videogames of 2010

#34 Post by T3hOverlord » 10 Feb 2011 08:59

NO one mentioned Starcraft 2?



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#35 Post by The Rider Of Rohan » 10 Feb 2011 19:19

Well, they only released it on the pc, which means that a smaller group of people will buy it. Had they released it on the 360 I would certainly have tried it out.
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