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#1 Post by Palantyre » 21 Dec 2009 03:05

So I just saw this movie today in 3D, with a couple of my pals.

Well, let's just say I've finally forgiven Cameron for making Titanic.
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#2 Post by Sleeping Dragon » 21 Dec 2009 09:05

yeah, but is it just a lot of awesome effects or does it actually have a storyline value?
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#3 Post by Mackasfour » 21 Dec 2009 09:24

I hear, good effects, shit storyline
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#4 Post by faery » 21 Dec 2009 10:45

It depends on how you look at the storyline. If you're just looking for cliche's and shit, yeah, than the storyline is not all that. If you're looking at it in the tradition of science fiction from the 50's (very engaged and stuff, about society and change) than it is not that bad. In my opinion at least.

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I saw the movie yesterday (in german :shock: ) and it took me a little while to get into it. The visual effects are amazing, and I think they managed to have the "blue people" (my lack of remembering names really becomes visible here) look quite realistic. I think I was really sucked in after the scene where the main-character takes flight for the first time, but even more after the father of the girl died: she was really sad and hurt, in a very visible way, which does not happen often in holywood-movies of this kind. That touched me. And after that, the whole big battle, where they actually seemed to lose and some semi-important characters die, and then the animals come to rescue (unexpectedly): wow!

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#5 Post by MarchOfTime » 21 Dec 2009 15:07

I think people are too critical of the 300 million dollars USD put to the effects, just because a movie is pretty means it cannot have a good story?

Cameron created an entire world, and then built the story around it. I think its the best movie of the past decade. The story is great, the effects are great,there's characters develop, what more do you want?

it more than makes up for Titanic :lol:
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#6 Post by Belgarion » 21 Dec 2009 17:11

Titanic is a great movie.
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#7 Post by Guilherme » 21 Dec 2009 18:20

The story is Cliché, it's basically pocahontas, or dance with wolves. In Space.

The characters tough, make you feel such a strong emotional connection that it pays off for the overall story shortcomings.

The visuals and audio are a perfect 10/10. Go watch it on Imax 3d. It's one of the biggest cinema experiences I ever had.

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#8 Post by Palantyre » 21 Dec 2009 20:50

Yeah, the story is quite simple, and it's not exactly unheard of. But regardelss, it's a GOOD story, and well told in the movie. A complex and "original" plot has no intrinsic value, what really matters is how the plot is executed and the story told.

And the visual side isn't just about the galaxies exploding effects, it's also the overall design. And the design is magnificent, working together with the cinematography and the story and the characters to make Avatar a really beautiful movie.
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#9 Post by MarchOfTime » 21 Dec 2009 22:16

And the visual side isn't just about the galaxies exploding effects, it's also the overall design. And the design is magnificent, working together with the cinematography and the story and the characters to make Avatar a really beautiful movie.
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#10 Post by End Of An Era » 21 Dec 2009 23:36

seen it too last weekend, though the 2d version.

Was very very impressed by the thouroughness of the whole ecosystem, it was very convincing and actually made sense too in some ways :) Story is good on average, some points excelled, some points it was too obvious, but hey, what good movie doesn´t have that eh? ;)

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#11 Post by teo_guardian » 22 Dec 2009 21:09

the story is great...yes it has a lot of elements we've seen over and over again in other movies
but in this movie these elements are presented in a great way....
Also it's a movie that holds you there and it makes you feel and understand this world cameron made..
You forget that you are watching a movie in a lot of parts...i wanna watch it again on cinema and on 3d

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#12 Post by Sarah » 27 Dec 2009 00:47

Saw it in 3D, can barely get over it....

A bit cheesy, but absolutely beautiful :)
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#13 Post by Arwen Arianna » 29 Dec 2009 20:04

Saw it twice now..
Really beautiful... never mind the storyline ;) I've seen worse.
But I truly want a forest like that :shock:
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#14 Post by power_dysfunction » 30 Dec 2009 22:29

I just saw it last night. Now, the last '3D' thing I saw was the Terminator 2 thing at the Universal Studios themepark, better than ten years ago; I hadn't seen any of the current crop of movies using the new 3D tech. So, my mind was absolutely blown by how Avatar looked. Yeah, it was cliched like everybody says, but Sam Worthington turned in an excellent performance, the characters were well-formed and relatable, and holy fuck I have never seen anything that looked like that.
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#15 Post by Mahoora » 31 Dec 2009 02:09

Just saw it tonight in 2D, and it's one of the best movies i've seen in years 8) great story, great effects, great acting and great directing. also I think it's one of the most original story lines: innovative and unheard of before
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#16 Post by West Virginia Mule » 31 Dec 2009 07:10

It's a left wing propaganda film, blah blah blah. I refuse to submit. That $300 million could have been redistributed to illegal aliens or used to fund ACORN. Shameful waste of resources.
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#17 Post by MarchOfTime » 06 Jan 2010 00:14

I would rather the 300 million go to a great Movie like Avatar; take the budget of a bunch of crap movies and send that to ACORN or something.....
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#18 Post by Skyclad » 06 Jan 2010 00:16

West Virginia Mule wrote:It's a left wing propaganda film, blah blah blah. I refuse to submit. That $300 million could have been redistributed to illegal aliens or used to fund ACORN. Shameful waste of resources.

So, you want to take a private citizens hard earned money and put it into government programs. interesting.
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#19 Post by Led Guardian » 06 Jan 2010 00:31

I concur wholeheartedly with Guilherme and Palantyre.
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#20 Post by West Virginia Mule » 06 Jan 2010 06:23

Skyclad wrote:So, you want to take a private citizens hard earned money and put it into government programs. interesting.
Yes. Private citizens have no right to keep what they've earned. Government seizures of property and wealth. Redistribution. Everyone the same. A smothering wet blanket to initiative, creativity and reward seeking to eliminate risk but, in reality, eliminating the daring that advances civilization. Controlled from above by the world-governing masters, the circle of elites. Only they know how we should live our lives. Worship the state. Utopia in our time.
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2) that it reduces the theory to an article of faith, which anyone is entitled to hold, but not to impose on the rest of us.


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#21 Post by power_dysfunction » 06 Jan 2010 07:25

I'm sorry, I missed the point where Avatar mentioned/reference/was a metaphor for global warming?
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#22 Post by Palantyre » 06 Jan 2010 07:39

You sure you've been taking your pills lately, Mule?
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#23 Post by Sleeping Dragon » 06 Jan 2010 08:17

i think he's been taking the blue ones.
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#24 Post by Skyclad » 06 Jan 2010 16:13

There's no global warming because it's still cold in Winter.
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#25 Post by Sleeping Dragon » 06 Jan 2010 18:11

no, there's no global warming because it doesn't fit with our current social, economical and ideological models. if it were to fit, it would have been the hand of god.
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#26 Post by Lilyael » 07 Jan 2010 00:20

I thought it was a social statement on the Native Americans VS Red Commie Bastards
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#27 Post by t.a.j. » 07 Jan 2010 00:29

Lilyael wrote:I thought it was a social statement on the Native Americans VS Red Commie Bastards
I'm sorry, I don't catch the irony. Are you serious and stupid or am I missing something?
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#28 Post by Metal Fan » 07 Jan 2010 21:25

I saw Avatar in 3D. The 3D quality stinked. But the move was great!!
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#29 Post by Sleeping Dragon » 08 Jan 2010 10:31

hehe, exactly the opposite:

3D was way better than i expected, it's actually a great piece of technology with a lot of potential. the story was the most obvious plot i've ever seen in a movie, but i get why they did that. it's kinda smart to break in a kickass expensive new technology and not risk it with a movie that the wide public may not like.


all in all go see it, IN 3D, it's awesome. :mrgreen:


and cut the bullcrap about the environmental preaching. it's annoying, yeah, but what do you expect from mixing the plot of Pocahontas with mechwarriors and dragon-riding blue giants?
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#30 Post by Palantyre » 08 Jan 2010 11:22

what do you expect from mixing the plot of Pocahontas with mechwarriors and dragon-riding blue giants?
Pocahontas as it bloody should have been. Rah.
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#31 Post by West Virginia Mule » 08 Jan 2010 14:11

Palantyre wrote:You sure you've been taking your pills lately, Mule?
Yeah. There's this 2-3 hour period after I down a handful of chemical correction where I pretty much just start singing random showtune nsongs and thinking about our dog being able to talk. Then I get out of breath (even just talking gets me outta breath; that's how close I'm crouching on the reaper's doorstep) and I get that chest, arm, neck pain, that old friend. Then it begins again. Sometimes my behavior becomes even more loopy and disjointed. They call this an improvement over the old stress and so-called depression, but I ain't so sure.

in any case, it's always fun to come to the forum when I'm singing and dancing and listening to my dog explain global warming to me.

Also, I have not seen this Avatar movie and have little idea what it's even about. I was just tweaking people here. All I know is that president Maobama took his family to see it I Hawaii, which is enough for me to conclude that it employs Anti-American propaganda under the guise of sconce fiction. Maobama should have been visiting Rush in the hospital, giving him flowers and a get well soon card, not watching movies and plotting the death of the United States. Liberals pretend to be so compassionate, but the reality is all they care about is themselves and Gaia. Let the rest of us burn.

In other news, it gets cold in the winter and hot in the summer. Environmentalism is not about the environment. It's about control. Because only the elite ruling class is qualified to run our lives, not us, not the people. I wonder how many American citizens remember that the government only has the power we LET them have. They work for us. They exist because we let them exist. And now they brazenly ignore the overwhelming will of the people, deciding that we no longer are a representative republic, that the people serve the state instead of the other way around. That's what we used to call revolution talk back in the day. Now...well, we just watch a football game and don't pay attention. And that's how it slips away. Apathy. Complacency.

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Is Avatar about Europeans killing Indians? If so, awesome. Except it's pobably all bleeding heart, whah whah whah. You know, I felt a little compassion for the alien bugs in Secion 9, but for blue Indians living in teepees on good land where a mall or a minority housing project could be built, he'll no. "Waste the motherfuckers," as Samuel L. Jackson said in that Rules of Engagement movie. Sorry about the profanity, but it was a quote. It's not like I said it.

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When Obamacare goes into effect I'll be kicked out of the US anyway because my body mass index won't comply with national standards and I'll be deemed a burden on the state, a fatty boombalatty. Then I'll have to move to Mexico and sneak back into the US, making me a legal citizen again and, at which point, they will be unable to discriminate against me and my bulbous buttocks because I'll be a Mexican and PCness dictates minorities get a free pass on matters where Evil White Folks are made to submit and repent.

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#32 Post by Sleeping Dragon » 08 Jan 2010 14:29

you lost me about halfway through, mule. i liked the part with the talking dog, though.
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#33 Post by MarchOfTime » 08 Jan 2010 14:37

I lost ya mule after "I have not seen Avatar yet",
do u expect us to read the rest of what you have to say w/o u even seeing the movie first? so please return and share your opinions once you have done so. And if it ISNT directly related to the movie, then don't post it.....
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#34 Post by Sleeping Dragon » 08 Jan 2010 15:55

MarchOfTime wrote:...then don't post it.....

that'll only make him rant about how obama is violating his freedom of talking bull.
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#35 Post by West Virginia Mule » 08 Jan 2010 20:09

MarchOfTime wrote:I lost ya mule after "I have not seen Avatar yet",
Who the fuck are you and why are you talking to me? Fuck you.
do u expect us to read the rest of what you have to say w/o u even seeing the movie first?
What movie? What the fuck are you talking about? Do I expect you to read what I wrote? Who the fuck are you and why do you keep thinking you have the right to speak to me as an equal. I am forum royalty. I'll write anythin in this topic or any topic I want. Royalty. Do you hear me? Can you hear me now? Fucking royalty. I banish you from my presence.
so please return and share your opinions once you have done so.
I fucking well will not. Unless I want to. Then I will. Or I won't.
And if it ISNT directly related to the movie, then don't post it.....
Really? You want to keep the topic on topic? That's so sweet. However, I'm afraid I'm going to have to do what I want when I want and I don't want to hear about what you want.
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#36 Post by End Of An Era » 08 Jan 2010 20:47

royalty? maybe.. royal pain in the ass? most definitely :P

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#37 Post by West Virginia Mule » 08 Jan 2010 21:01

Royalty! I banish you from my kingdom, peasant. Peon. Serf. Begone, ye begetter of foulness and disease. And take that MarchofDimes with you.
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#38 Post by End Of An Era » 08 Jan 2010 21:18

hmm, kingdom? i thought you were into the whole republican idea ;)

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#39 Post by West Virginia Mule » 08 Jan 2010 22:00

I'm not a republican. I'm a conservative. a kingdom of royyyyyyyforummdxj A sndjdkdabcirne>|%~^~*{nene

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#40 Post by Palantyre » 08 Jan 2010 22:06

MarchOfTime wrote:u u, u u, w/o u, u u
USE WHOLE FUCKING WORDS GODDAMNIT.
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#41 Post by End Of An Era » 08 Jan 2010 22:09

West Virginia Mule wrote:I'm not a republican. I'm a conservative. a kingdom of royyyyyyyforummdxj A sndjdkdabcirne>|%~^~*{nene

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hey, i recognize that! has your cat been walking your keyboard? ;)

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#42 Post by Sleeping Dragon » 08 Jan 2010 22:25

his cat sure is adept at Shift usage and Ascii typing.
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#43 Post by MarchOfTime » 08 Jan 2010 22:31

You so funny mule, you and your ego make MoT laugh
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#44 Post by West Virginia Mule » 08 Jan 2010 22:35

Get on his ass, Mikko! :lol: Tell him we hold ourselves to a higher standard of writing here. Damnd boobs. Err...noobs, I mean. Sometimes the autocomplete function on this phone is funny. But usually not.

And no, no cats are crawling on my keyboard. I don't have cats. I don't like cats. I will not get a cat. My major malfunction in this case can be summed up as follows: fat thumbs + iPhone touch screen = random chaos

Also...I'm at work and, as such, am heavily medicated to deal with the stress of running my kingdom. But what I want to know is what song do you want to hear? Free Bird? You got it.

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#45 Post by End Of An Era » 08 Jan 2010 22:43

only inferior kings have stress ruling their kingdom.. somewhere down the line i guess you're just another bastard child of a greater man...

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#46 Post by West Virginia Mule » 08 Jan 2010 23:05

My kingdom is imaginary. Like my life. Like this forum and the people pretending to exist within it.

And yes, I am the child failure of a great man. I do not deserve to carry his name. Not lucky enough to be bastard born.

I'm turning serious. You've sucked all the fun out of this. All I wanted to do was discuss the brilliant, bedazzling, landmark film called Avatar, and yet people cannot stay on topic.
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#47 Post by Sleeping Dragon » 08 Jan 2010 23:14

damn hippies... :evil:
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#48 Post by End Of An Era » 08 Jan 2010 23:15

yeah trolls are soo annoying!!
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#49 Post by Lilyael » 08 Jan 2010 23:31

t.a.j. wrote:
Lilyael wrote:I thought it was a social statement on the Native Americans VS Red Commie Bastards
I'm sorry, I don't catch the irony. Are you serious and stupid or am I missing something?
you are missing something. Iwouldn't worry about it.

I saw this last night, was pleasantly entertained, can't say 3d added anything in particular, and it was rather cheesy in parts. The natives were almost portrayed as tree-hugging hippies. And there was the science question which we shouldn't get into as it's anal. But overall, well worth a watch :)
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#50 Post by Kyhdän kanssa tuomme » 09 Jan 2010 20:09

Guilherme wrote:The story is Cliché, it's basically pocahontas, or dance with wolves. In Space.

The characters tough, make you feel such a strong emotional connection that it pays off for the overall story shortcomings.

The visuals and audio are a perfect 10/10. Go watch it on Imax 3d. It's one of the biggest cinema experiences I ever had.
Interesting, I also called it 'basically pocahontas IN SPACE.'

it goes like this [spoiler]:

Guy goes on to infiltrate some natives for his evil masters, BUT OOHHH NO, over time he gains a respect for their ANCIENT CULTURE and he FALLS IN LOVE with A PRINCESS there but THEY FIND OUT HIS ORIGINAL MISSION and he then FINALLY WINS BACK THEIR TRUST BY TURNING ON HIS OLD MASTERS and then THEY GET MARRIED.

but then IN SPACE.[/spoiler]

Very original, yes.

But then again, it's as clichéd as most films, if this had a special effect budged ten times the less it would have cost half and grossed about 230 mil USD, not 1 105 mil USD. It's a standard film, cliché, praedictable, you know how it's going to end if you're ten minutes into it, you know he's going to fall in love, you know they're going to find out, because they're just formulaic plot elements that have been used thousands of time and if you don't use them it won't sell because the audience for some reason seems to like it if you can dream the film in advance but still hates it if you put on spoilers, no idea why. But in that it's not worse than most films I suppose, most films are just cuh-rap.
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